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rhipsher
07-03-2010, 08:14 PM
I'm in the middle of rebushing the whole car right now with the Prothane poly euothane kit which consists of a whole lotta bushings. I figured I'd hit first what looked like it was gonna be the biggest pain in the azz. The steering rack. You pretty much have to take it to the point where you could take it out if you wanted to including removing the two hydrolic conections to it and unhook it from the steering wheel so it can be pivoted to get the drivers side bolt out otherwise the engine block is in the way. Actually the three rubber bushings I pulled out look really good. They are definitely much softer than the polyueothane ones that are going back in. The rest of it looks like a piece of cake. I'll do the front end first then do the rear. Even though the rest is a piece of cake its still a whole lotta work.
Kb7tif
07-04-2010, 12:46 AM
I will say this. On my 92 I replaced the rear sway bar bushings with Energy Brand poly's and they did not fit. I made them work. Have a laugh on me!
WB9MCW
07-04-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm in the middle of rebushing the whole car right now with the Prothane poly euothane kit which consists of a whole lotta bushings. I figured I'd hit first what looked like it was gonna be the biggest pain in the azz. The steering rack. You pretty much have to take it to the point where you could take it out if you wanted to including removing the two hydrolic conections to it and unhook it from the steering wheel so it can be pivoted to get the drivers side bolt out otherwise the engine block is in the way. Actually the three rubber bushings I pulled out look really good. They are definitely much softer than the polyueothane ones that are going back in. The rest of it looks like a piece of cake. I'll do the front end first then do the rear. Even though the rest is a piece of cake its still a whole lotta work.
GOT PHOTOS?
FOR DYNO's LINK TO PROJECTS PAGE fahne
-=Jeff=-
07-04-2010, 02:59 PM
I have done most of mine..
All I have left are:
-Front and Rear Sway bars
-Steering Rack
-Batwing ends
I figured I did not NEED those done, but all the rest are complete
HAWAIIZR-1
07-04-2010, 03:14 PM
I did all the rear and that was fairly easy. I was not going to tackle the front until later but based on folks experience I should do these now while the motor is out? Sounds like the steering rack would definitely be easier now. Great, another project to add to the list...............
rhipsher
07-04-2010, 04:32 PM
GOT PHOTOS?
FOR DYNO's LINK TO PROJECTS PAGE fahneAs a matter of fact I do. I'll post them later on today. Right now I've got the lower A arms off. I'm gonna shut work on the vette down early 2day. I've got to go fireworks shopping with my kids. I love living where fireworks are totally legal. They always have great deals. Buy one brick get 5 free.
rhipsher
07-04-2010, 09:17 PM
Here's some pics. My cell phone decided it doesn't want to take pictures in color anymore so they look like the old pics out of a Chiltons manual.
The Prothane poly kit.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/image8-2.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/image7-1.jpg
Heres the steering rack loose and out of place just sitting there from the drivers side.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/image-1.jpg
You'll need a pitman arm press to press the bushings out. As soon as you get the steering rack out of the cradle you can rebushing it where it sits.
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn63/keeno1970/image4-1.jpg
phrogs
07-06-2010, 12:23 AM
where did you get your set at??
rhipsher
07-06-2010, 10:41 AM
where did you get your set at??I ordered the kit from Eklers. Both mid America and Eklers were out of stock on them and Eklers had to back order them so it took almost a month to get them. The Prothane kit was $199. That includes every bushing for the entire car plus the super grease.
Dynomite
07-07-2010, 07:49 PM
GOT PHOTOS?
FOR DYNO's LINK TO PROJECTS PAGE fahne
See "Solutions" under heading "SUSPENSION" :Eagle:
http://www.zr1.net/forum/showpost.php?p=88873&postcount=3
I am hoping for some more pictures all in one or two posts and combining this with the front bushing thread http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12309 :cheers:
Thanks for the thread with pictures and associated information rhipsher ;)
rhipsher
07-07-2010, 08:38 PM
See "Solutions" under heading "EXTERIOR" Eagle
http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?p=88872#post88872
I am hoping for some more pictures all in one or two posts and combining this with the front bushing thread http://www.zr1.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12309 :cheers:
Thanks for the thread with pictures and associated information rhipsher ;)I'll have some more pictures with better quality. There's one tricky upper A-arm bushing thats a challenge to get in but I figured out a great technique to get it in that I'll share with pics. The upper A arms have two different size bushings in them unlike the lowers which are the same size.
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Ok I just got done rebushing the front end which includes the steering rack and both upper and lower A-arms. And of course a few weeks ago inner and outter tie rods. Now I promissed that I would do an official write up with pictures on this. Since I'm not a registered paying member of this site but have been a member for 3 years it's the least I can do to contribute. So here goes.
Now last I had left off on this I had just pulled the lower A-arms off. The bushings for them come in two halves. You just stick one in one side and on in the other then push the sleeve in and thats it. Here they are after install.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/7-LowerA-armsinstalled.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/5-Rebushingstart.jpg
I'm in the middle of rebushing the whole car right now with the Prothane poly euothane kit which consists of a whole lotta bushings. I figured I'd hit first what looked like it was gonna be the biggest pain in the azz. The steering rack. You pretty much have to take it to the point where you could take it out if you wanted to including removing the two hydrolic conections to it and unhook it from the steering wheel so it can be pivoted to get the drivers side bolt out otherwise the engine block is in the way. Actually the three rubber bushings I pulled out look really good. They are definitely much softer than the polyueothane ones that are going back in. The rest of it looks like a piece of cake. I'll do the front end first then do the rear. Even though the rest is a piece of cake its still a whole lotta work.
Here's some pics. My cell phone decided it doesn't want to take pictures in color anymore so they look like the old pics out of a Chiltons manual. The Prothane poly kit.
I ordered the kit from Eklers. Both mid America and Eklers were out of stock on them and Eklers had to back order them so it took almost a month to get them. The Prothane kit was $199. That includes every bushing for the entire car plus the super grease.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/1-Bushings.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/2-Bushings.jpg
Heres the steering rack loose and out of place just sitting there from the drivers side. You'll need a pitman arm press to press the bushings out. As soon as you get the steering rack out of the cradle you can rebushing it where it sits.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/3-steeringrackloose.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/4-rebushsteeringrack.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:26 PM
Once the lowers are installed you want to bring the lower arm up to the wheel spindle so you can bolt it together. I used a 36mm socket to protect the grease fitting from getting crushed. Then jack it up and bolt together. My ball joints were still in good shape. But I did reboot them before bolting together.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/6-LowerA-arms.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/8-LiftinglowerA-arm.jpg
The steering rack is really the only thing thats a pain. You have to disconnect the steering linkage from the steering wheel coming out of the fire wall. Then unsnapp the plastic cover that protects the flex coupling and two hydrolic fittings. Then you have to use an 18mm crows foot with a 15" long 1/2 drive extension to to unscrew the fittings. After that get under the car and unscrew the other two hydrolic lines to the steering rack cylinder then you have to bench press it up and out from between the two ears. Then you can rebushing it. The rest of the front end is easy.
Now rebushing the upper A-arms is a little more tricky because they consist of two different size bushings and one of them involves some finess. But I'll get into that later.
Removing the upper A-arm. Remove the cotter pin and unbolt the nut. Then take a ball joint seperater/fork and place it in between the arm and ball joint. Take a 3lbs sledge hammer and give it a couple of whacks to break the taper lock. Step to one side before you hit it otherwise you might get a lap full of grease jizz. It tends to squirt. Then remove access panel.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/9-RemoveUpperA-arm.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/10-Removeaccesspanel.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/11-Accesspanelremoved.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:27 PM
Once the access panel is removed unbolt the arm. Just make sure you keep the shims together so you don't have to remember how they went.
Once you get them loose enough you will have to use your fingers to hold the bolt in its square pocket to keep it from spinning as you turn your wrench. Now I just bought this NOS upper A-arm from corvette recycling a year ago and the rubber looked great but upon inspection of it you can see that the rubber was already starting to crack.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/12-UnboltingupperA-arm.jpg http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/13-Keepshimstogether.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/14-NOSupperA-arm.jpg
Next out with the old in with the new. I used a press for this. Put the arm upright as shown. Then simply press the shaft through until free.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/14-Usingpress.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/15-UpperA-armbushingpressed.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/16-UpperA-armshaft.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:27 PM
Next I clamped the arm in a 6" vice and used a puller to press the last bushing out. Super grease is also supplied with the kit and this stuff is super sticky like tree sap. Use it to grease the inside of the bushings before pushing the sleeve through the middle. Next just one half bushing in one side and one in the other. Then push the sleeve through both. Then use a C clamp to press them together the rest of the way.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/17-Lastbushingremoved.jpg
Now this one is more of a challenge to press in. A word about poly eurothane. This stuff is super super tough material. It's nothing like rubber. Getting this bushing in takes some force. Poly does not distort or fall apart. Now put the arm back on the press for this. You simply can't press down to get the bushing in. That might work with rubber but not this stuff. You will bend or collapse the arm. So I fasioned up a little jig so there's no force on the arm itself. That keeps it from bending to far. It's kind of a pain to hold it in place with just one set of hands but it works well.
The point of this is just to get the lip of the bushing started and press it down far enough so you can start the bolt on it. Then put it back on the vice for the next step. Once back on the vice I screwd the nut on until the bushing starts to distort a little then back off one rev.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/18-Installingupperbushing.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/19-Newbushing.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/20-Pressingnewbushing.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/21-Pressingnewbushingfornut.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/22-Tighteningnutonnewbushing.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:28 PM
Use the same two socket and 3/8 extension setup on the vice for support while screwing the nut down. Remove the support jig. Then install the puller and and pull up 2 or 3 revs. It's a push pull push pull basically untill the lip finally pops through the bottom like this.
Is this a pain in the azz? Hell yes. Is this the right or wrong way to do it? I don't know but it worked for me. I just used my machinist smarts and what I had laying around. And whalla!
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/23-Completingbushinginstall.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/24-BushinginstalledinupperA-arm.jpg
Once I got everything back together my wife and I took it for a spin. As soon as I backed out of my driveway I could immidietly feel the difference. It was much stiffer in the front. We drove around and got on the freeway. The handling difference was totally awesome. Around corners there was almost no body roll or tilt. It felt extremely planted. The only down side for some people"Not me" would be the fact that you will feel the road more which rubber insulates from better. Everything is a give and take and you can't have it all. I'm very happy with it. And when I get coilovers installed it's gonna be sick. Now I still have to rebushing the rear end and will also do a write up on that. I'll save that for next weekend. .
Finished rebushing the rear yesterday. As I was pressing out the last bushing on the strut rod a huge bolt of lightening hit my house. My hand was on the press handle and I got shocked right through the handle. It was so loud it scared the sh#t outta me. My hair was standing striaght up. It was hilarious. Knocked out all my Comcast receivers in the house and my A/C but nothing else. All the car alarms in the neighborhood were going nuts.
Anyway here is a write up on the rear end rebushing. Again I don't know if it's the right or wrong way to do it! Just did what worked for me.
The first thing I did after getting the rear up on jack stands and taking the wheels off was take some of the spring tension off the wheel spindle with a sissor jack. Then loosen up the strut bolts.
Now that the tension is off the strut rod bolts you can remove the bolts. I only did one strut rod at a time and left the other one in. If you remove both then the wheel spindle will drop down and be to heavy to menuver when you install the strut rods. Leave one in for support. Also you want to put a jackstand under the side rail off the side your working on. You want the wheel to hang free without a jack holding it up.
Remove one strut rod and press the bushings out and clean it good. I used dish washing soap in the kitchen sink and a brillo pad.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/25R-looseningstrutbolts.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/26R-Bushingremovedfromstrut.jpg
As you can see my strut rod bushings were wasted badly. Now simply install the bushings.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/27R-Wornstrutrodbushing.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/28R-Newbushinginstrutarm.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:29 PM
Now install it and take the next one out.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/29R-Onedone-onetogo.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/30R-Twostrutarmsrebushed.jpg
Then simply install the rear spring bushings.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/31R-Rearspringbushinginstalled.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/32R-Rearspringbushingnutinstalled.jpg
Now I didn't replace the differential carrier bushings because Bill B. had warned me not to. Just keep it rubber. Plus they still looked good.
One thing that suprised me is that the kit did not come with front or rear sway bar bushings. Go figure. I checked my rear sway bar end link bushings. All that was left of any bushing that used to be there was a few crumbled pieces. In other words no bushing at all. I've got front and rear sway bar bushings on the way. Those are really easy to do..
I'm sure that all these bad bushings had allot to do with one tire wearing out much faster than the other. These vredestien tires were great and I'll buy them again but with all the bad bushings on the car I only got about 15K miles outta them. And of course 35 runs down the drag strip over the 2 year span that I had them probably didn't help.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/33R-Tirewearduetobadbushings.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/34R-Closeupoftirewear.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:29 PM
Ok I'll just get right to it. In order to rebushing the differential carrier you must remove it off the car. Put something under it because gear oil will go all over the place.
Remove the old bushings on a press.
The original rubber bushing next to the poly bushings. You must modify the poly bushings in order to press them in. As you can see there is a press fitted sleeve were the bushing goes. One side is lipped. The other side is not.
If you try to press the bushing in from the non lipped side it will shear the poly bushing and you don't want that.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/35D-Differentialrebushing.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/36D-Differentialremoved.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/37D-Pressoutoldbushings.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/38D-Installnewbushings.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/39D-Correctbushinginstallation.jpg
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 09:30 PM
You have to gind down one of the ears of one bushing to about a 30 degree X 1/4 long chamfer. On the other about a 30 degree X 1/8 long chamfer so you can actually get them started. They will both have to be pressed in from the lipped side.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/40D-Bushingmodification.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/41D-Modifiedbushing.jpg
As you can see the bushing with the big chamfer is also chamfered smaller on the other side. Thats no necessary to do. I only did it because in the beginning I thought I was gonna be able to press them in from the front and back side. But this was a learning expieriance for me also.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/42D-Modifiedbushinginstalled.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/43D-ModifiedbushinginstalledF.jpg
While I was at it I also put new poly on the adjustable rear camber rods. Heres a little vid on that.
New Bushings On Rear Camber Rods Video Left click on picture.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20video/th_yyy.jpg (http://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20video/?action=view¤t=yyy.mp4)
Dynomite
07-11-2010, 11:17 PM
Next it was time to put the rear differential carrier back on. I just used some red RTV to seal it back up.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/44D-RedRTVoncarrier.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/45D-Carrierinstalled.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/46D-Carrierwithnewbushing.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll142/dynomite007/ZR1%20NET/47D-Gearoil.jpg
Then it was time to fill the rear end back up with fresh gear oil 80 90 gear oil and a bottle of limited slip juice.
See "Solutions" under Heading "SUSPENSIONS" http://www.zr1.net/forum/showpost.php?p=88873&postcount=3
HAWAIIZR-1
07-11-2010, 11:55 PM
Awesome and I'll think I'll give it a shot. Thank you!!!
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