NCRS Top Flight, how many ZR-1s?

[Mystic ZR-1]

Does anyone know how many ZR-1s have received Top Flight Awards, McClellan Awards etc or where the info may be obtained? (even better, broken down by year & 2nd and 3rd flight too?)
Thanks,
Mystic ZR-1
'90 #2282

[jrd1990zr1]

Hi Doug,

I have a regional and national top fllight for 1990 #2529.

Did not go to any further, in my opinion PV is not worth the hassle on a ZR-1. I have heard to many stories of nit-picking. Too bad they don't PV a C-4 like they do a C-1 or C-2, then it might be worthwhile.

Have a good 4th, John salute

[phrogs]

NCRS would have the records but I doubt they openly publish the numbers.

[jrd1990zr1]

NCRS will now provide you with all of the judging results for a specific VIN. I think it is $300.00. I'll bet if you contact Roy Sinor he would be able to get the #s for a fee.

[BLACK90ZR1]

1990 ZR-1 # 843 has a Top Flight, PV,a Mclellan Award, and a Crossed Flag Award.
The car also has a Bloomington Gold Certification, a Bloomington Survivor Award, and a Bloomington Benchmark Award.
1991 ZR-1 #692 also has a Top Flight, PV, and a McLellan Award.

[ZZZZZR1]

NCRS will now provide you with all of the judging results for a specific VIN. I think it is $300.00. I'll bet if you contact Roy Sinor he would be able to get the #s for a fee.

Roy will be @ Corvettes of Carlisle this year.... :mrgreen:

[Mystic ZR-1]

I've been in email contact with Roy Sinor, he states that 71 ZR-1s have acheived Top Flight status as of the end of 2008 when change to the "system" was begun. Here's part of the email: "I can tell you that before the system was changed our records through 2008 indicated by targeting the Z23 in the VIN that 71 vehicles had received a Top Flight. " Of course this isn't all of them, 2009 and 10 are not included and it doesn't break it down by Local Chapter, Regional or National meet or by year, but it does give a good idea of the number. A big thanks to Roy for the info!

[Polo-1]

when I asked the regional guys, I was told only 2 ZR-1's had made it all the way to the Crossed Flags award.

[Mystic ZR-1]

That could well be true, the numbers get smaller quickly the farther up the tree you go, Local Chapter, Regional, National, PV (a real bitch, make sure your hatch goes all the way up by itself...), McLellan etc. No matter which one you've achieved, it's just that, an acheivement to be proud of! (even if you don't have that little date code sticker stuck somewhere to the seatframe...) And, when your done, you can finally drive the damn thing like Dave McLellan intended!

[Mystic ZR-1]

Dave,
Thanks for the info! Were you a judge @ the Marlboro Regional last Sept?
Doug

[Mystic ZR-1]

I remember you! The lumbar support in the passenger seat worked just before you looked at it and again after you looked at it ... Honest.....
I'm still "high" on obtaining the Top flight!!!!!!! Oh, and I found that date sticker on the seat frames that Gloria couldn't find (and I didn't know existed)... The whole thing was a great experience!
Thanks,
Doug

[jrd1990zr1]

I think I remember him too. I think he was the second member of the ops team for the Boston National. He didn't like the way the rear compartments closed. :thumbsdo:

Hey Doug, When I did the tour of the assembly plant in BG, you would not believe the various part stickers that I saw on the floor. I wonder how many 1990 seat stickers never made it to the car when assembled. :cheers:

[AT T 2D]

NCRS will now provide you with all of the judging results for a specific VIN. I think it is $300.00. I'll bet if you contact Roy Sinor he would be able to get the #s for a fee.

The '94 (#188) I just purchased was Top Flight. Unfortunately the dealer that the car was trade in to destroyed the paperwork which was left in the car. I contacted NCRS and was told there is no way to replace it or to get a statement confirming it was certified. The last owner of the car who is active in NCRS, Chuck Beard, said that it was one of the three cars used to write the judging guide for the '94 - '96 years and received a score of 98.7.

I am very disappointed in the dealership and the fact that there is no way to get a copy or a statement. I joined NCRS and I will start researching what is involved in going through the process again.

[Polo-1]

I thought it was a one time deal on the Top Flight judging?? Once a car has been through it, it's over??

[A1990]

I thought it was a one time deal on the Top Flight judging?? Once a car has been through it, it's over??
I agree, but then how many Top Flight cars have their paper work thrown away?

[Polo-1]

Things I don't like about NCRS

"I contacted NCRS and was told there is no way to replace it or to get a statement confirming it was certified."

Absolutely NO HELP

[John Boothby]

Harley has a saying: "Screw it, lets ride!". I say "Screw it, just drive it!"

[bb62]

My 95 (#378) received a chapter level top flight this past June. Scored 99.4% or 4477 out of 4500 points. Gary Cline's 95 also scored at a top flight level in the same meet. So that's 2 more for your list.

[phrogs]

The '94 (#188) I just purchased was Top Flight. Unfortunately the dealer that the car was trade in to destroyed the paperwork which was left in the car. I contacted NCRS and was told there is no way to replace it or to get a statement confirming it was certified. The last owner of the car who is active in NCRS, Chuck Beard, said that it was one of the three cars used to write the judging guide for the '94 - '96 years and received a score of 98.7.

I am very disappointed in the dealership and the fact that there is no way to get a copy or a statement. I joined NCRS and I will start researching what is involved in going through the process again.


well first what a dumb *** dealership why in the hell would the destroy the paperwork history of the car unreal...

As for NCRS im pretty sure that the owner at the time who had it judgged can get a replacment cert.. id check on that one, maybe they wont give YOU one but they should give him one...

[phrogs]

I thought it was a one time deal on the Top Flight judging?? Once a car has been through it, it's over??


no you can do local reginonal and national so you can keep coming back for more abuse.

[bb62]

no you can do local reginonal and national so you can keep coming back for more abuse.

Yup. This is correct. If you want to have your Corvette judged EVERY year you can.

The one award that I am aware of that is a one shot deal is the survivor award at Bloomington (presumably coupled with the Benchmark award).

[jrd1990zr1]

well first what a dumb *** dealership why in the hell would the destroy the paperwork history of the car unreal...

As for NCRS im pretty sure that the owner at the time who had it judgged can get a replacment cert.. id check on that one, maybe they wont give YOU one but they should give him one...

Johnny,

As I understand the NCRS process the flight award is specific to the car and the owner who presents the car for judging. When the car changes hands the new owner must go through the process again.

If you are interested in seeing what the car scored last time I believe you can purchase the judging sheets from the past judging by contacting Roy Sinor, giving him the VIN and paying the fee.

Hope this helps clarify.

John :cheers:

[AT T 2D]

Johnny,

As I understand the NCRS process the flight award is specific to the car and the owner who presents the car for judging. When the car changes hands the new owner must go through the process again.

If you are interested in seeing what the car scored last time I believe you can purchase the judging sheets from the past judging by contacting Roy Sinor, giving him the VIN and paying the fee.

Hope this helps clarify.

John :cheers:

Thank you for the suggestion to contact Roy Sinor, I just sent him an email. I would gladly pay a fee to get a copy of the documentation.

I would also like to name the dealer that destroyed the paper work. It was Hendrick Cadillac in Cary, NC. They are part of a large chain of Hendrick dealerships. I am still shocked they would destroy this type of documentation.

[bb62]

Thank you for the suggestion to contact Roy Sinor, I just sent him an email. I would gladly pay a fee to get a copy of the documentation.

I would also like to name the dealer that destroyed the paper work. It was Hendrick Cadillac in Cary, NC. They are part of a large chain of Hendrick dealerships. I am still shocked they would destroy this type of documentation.

A few comments about the NCRS and other information about your car:

1. While you can contact Roy about prior judgings, the fee is pretty steep. If I remember correctly, it is about $300. I wouldn't bother with a prior judging. If your car is even reasonably stock, it will get a top flight award. I would just enter it into another event and get a new award if that sort of thing is important - and it would be far cheaper than paying for conformation of the old award - and you'd learn more about your car that way.

2. As for the paperwork, consider that paperwork for Corvettes is mostly important for the older cars (up to about 1972) because it is impossible to tell what the car was meant to be if there is not paperwork and the original engine is missing. That is a problem the ZR-1 will never have given that the VIN carries the engine code.

3. You can get replacement paperwork from the Corvette Museum for all cars produced at Bowling Green.

4. Keep in mind that all an NCRS award really means is that the car passed a specific standard on a specific day - nothing more.

[AT T 2D]

Thank you for the suggestion to contact Roy Sinor, I just sent him an email. I would gladly pay a fee to get a copy of the documentation.

I would also like to name the dealer that destroyed the paper work. It was Hendrick Cadillac in Cary, NC. They are part of a large chain of Hendrick dealerships. I am still shocked they would destroy this type of documentation.

I contacted Hendrick Cadillac again and emailed the manager who spoke with the person who transferred the car to the dealer I purchased it from - Chris Leith Automotive in Wake Forest, NC. They assure me the paperwork was delivered with the car. Contacted Chris Leith again and they are searching for the paperwork a second time.

I also heard back from Roy Sinor who said for a $300 fee they can provide a document showing each time the car was judged and the results. I don't mind donating to a worthwhile cause like the NCRS, but $300 does sound a little steep. I will give the dealership a few days to continue searching before going down that path.

Thanks to all for your help on this.