Newb confusion

[todesengel]

I have been in the supra community a loooong time, but there is a strange phenomenon that occurs with the vette that NEVER happens with supras. Everytime I drive the vette, every other vette owner waves. It doesn't matter what vintage vette, it just seems like there is no boundries, or attitude with the different generations. Not only vette owners, but motorcycle riders, and MOST ricers leave me alone. This is never the case when I drive ANY of my other cars.

Just curious if this is the case everywhere, or just here?

[Ccmano]

Yes, generally everywhere, but more so in the midwest, less in big cities. Here in Southern California it's probably under 50%.
H
:cheers:

[Z51JEFF]

Last week a guy in a Z06 waved so hard I thought his arm would break off.Recently Ive found most dont wave but Im always on the look out.

[tccrab]

Welcome to the Brotherhood of the Beast and the Family of Corvette.
Most all of us will wave at a fellow 'Vette as we pass one another on the street.
It comes from an attitude of family and a camaraderie of similar mind sets.
Just like a fighter pilot knows another fighter pilot by just a look, we are cast from a similar mold.

In the olden days, Gladiators would shake hands, not just because of respect or friendship, but to also dislodge any knives hidden in their sleeves.
We wave for much the same reason.
Two lions who cross paths in the Savannah will roar at each other, but they seldom fight.

It's widely known by ricers & the like that 'Vettes are not to be trifled with.
You just can't beat cubic inches.
They are keenly aware that anyone who can afford a 'Vette can likely afford to mod it so there's really no point in initiating a response.
Nobody likes getting beat.

Bikers are another story, they reside in a different category entirely.
It is possible to go down the local Cycle shop and buy a two wheeled death machine off of the showroom floor that is nearly as fast as a Top Fuel dragster.
It takes a certain kind of person to strap oneself to such a machine.
Most of us don't fit into that category, or perhaps we did at one time but have survived it.
We do not live in their world.
We are as far from them as they are from us.
It's kinda like an F16 and the Space Shuttle.
They're both machines that go fast.
Takes a different breed to fly 'em.

Supras are singular beasts.
Fast, sleek, dangerous.
Never did like the rounded wing on the back of the Gen4's, but I do like the 6 foot monstrosity on the back of a '70 Superbird or '69 Daytona. Go figure.
Most don't realize what awesome power that is hiding underneath the ugly plastic body kits, fart can mufflers and under body neon lights that so many of the owners seem to favor.
Lucky for us 'Vette guys, not that many were imported or we might have troubles with our King of the Hill status.
No joke.
Those little inline 6 cylinder engines with a big turbo and "Nawz" can pound out some seriously impressive numbers.

Well there you have it.
I'm climbing down off of my soapbox, get back to your daily musings, nothing to see here.

Welcome to the Brotherhood.
:cheers:

TomC
'Crabs

[todesengel]

Thanks for the very well thought out response :).

I couldn't agree with you more about the supra part, I am anti body kit of any kind, and looked hard and long for my hardtop/wingless car. It would eat my lf ZR-1 with no issue, but that is another story.
I like low key, and shopping cart handles do not fit the bill. Most people think my supra is a n/a [-X

Here are a couple pics of two of my favorite cars (besides the vette of course). My 1991 highly modified turbo awd celica, and my hardtop tt.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/chaosrob/IMG_1604.jpg


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/chaosrob/DSC_0346.jpg

Welcome to the Brotherhood of the Beast and the Family of Corvette.

Most all of us will wave at a fellow 'Vette as we pass one another on the street.
It comes from an attitude of family and a camaraderie of similar mind sets.
Just like a fighter pilot knows another fighter pilot by just a look, we are cast from a similar mold.

In the olden days, Gladiators would shake hands, not just because of respect or friendship, but to also dislodge any knives hidden in their sleeves.
We wave for much the same reason.
Two lions who cross paths in the Savannah will roar at each other, but they seldom fight.

It's widely known by ricers & the like that 'Vettes are not to be trifled with.
You just can't beat cubic inches.
They are keenly aware that anyone who can afford a 'Vette can likely afford to mod it so there's really no point in initiating a response.
Nobody likes getting beat.

Bikers are another story, they reside in a different category entirely.
It is possible to go down the local Cycle shop and buy a two wheeled death machine off of the showroom floor that is nearly as fast as a Top Fuel dragster.
It takes a certain kind of person to strap oneself to such a machine.
Most of us don't fit into that category, or perhaps we did at one time but have survived it.
We do not live in their world.
We are as far from them as they are from us.
It's kinda like an F16 and the Space Shuttle.
They're both machines that go fast.
Takes a different breed to fly 'em.

Supras are singular beasts.
Fast, sleek, dangerous.
Never did like the rounded wing on the back of the Gen4's, but I do like the 6 foot monstrosity on the back of a '70 Superbird or '69 Daytona. Go figure.
Most don't realize what awesome power that is hiding underneath the ugly plastic body kits, fart can mufflers and under body neon lights that so many of the owners seem to favor.
Lucky for us 'Vette guys, not that many were imported or we might have troubles with our King of the Hill status.
No joke.
Those little inline 6 cylinder engines with a big turbo and "Nawz" can pound out some seriously impressive numbers.

Well there you have it.
I'm climbing down off of my soapbox, get back to your daily musings, nothing to see here.

Welcome to the Brotherhood.
:cheers:

TomC
'Crabs

[Pete]

Welcome to the "Vette Wave" :thumbsup:

Pete

[bdw18_123]

...
Bikers are another story, they reside in a different category entirely.
It is possible to go down the local Cycle shop and buy a two wheeled death machine off of the showroom floor that is nearly as fast as a Top Fuel dragster.
It takes a certain kind of person to strap oneself to such a machine.
Most of us don't fit into that category, or perhaps we did at one time but have survived it.
We do not live in their world.
We are as far from them as they are from us.
It's kinda like an F16 and the Space Shuttle.
They're both machines that go fast.
Takes a different breed to fly 'em.

...



Actually, I like motorcycles too (not the cruiser type though, just not my style). I used to have a '98 Kawasaki ZX-6R, that thing was a blast to ride, had it up to 140MPH at one point. Until some stupid MF's decided to steal it. :mad: :mad: :thumbsdo:.

[Paul Workman]

Welcome to the Brotherhood!

I did some time on a couple ZX-11s and managed to survive. It became apparent to me after "a few" heart stopper events that it was just a matter of time before I became a grease spot on the highway. But, zero to 100 mph in about 4 (?) seconds was breathtaking! (Not sure 'bout the time cuz I was hanging on for dear life!)

The Z is more to my liking these days, and plenty enough of a handful. And, I can ride it in comfort on a sub-freezing day!

P.

[scottfab]

Welcome aboard.
I too remember my first experience with a vett (1977).
I moved from a hopped up mustang to a 73 454bb.
And I too remember the extreme comradeship on the road.
AND the automatic respect a vett gets from most drivers.
I figure it's from being spanked by a vett at some point in their lives :)

[GrayZ]

Robert, the wave, is indeed alive in the Corvette world...:hello:

you' have probably heard the old joke what's the difference between a
corvette owner and a porcupine? That with the corvette the prick's are on the inside....:censored:

This statement couldn't be farther from the truth. Seriously, i have met some of the nicest people in my many days, through corvette ownership.

Corvette owners tend to go the extra mile, to help hands on, or anwser
questions, opening their homes, and wallets, it is quite unique in the car world. you can mod any car, to be fast. The only thing stopping you is you're bank account. I'm proud to be part of this group, of misfits. :thumbsup:

:hal:

[todesengel]

Robert, the wave, is indeed alive in the Corvette world...:hello:

you' have probably heard the old joke what's the difference between a
corvette owner and a porcupine? That with the corvette the prick's are on the inside....:censored:

This statement couldn't be farther from the truth. Seriously, i have met some of the nicest people in my many days, through corvette ownership.

Corvette owners tend to go the extra mile, to help hands on, or anwser
questions, opening their homes, and wallets, it is quite unique in the car world. you can mod any car, to be fast. The only thing stopping you is you're bank account. I'm proud to be part of this group, of misfits. :thumbsup:

:hal:

Thanks guys, just different for me than the sideways hat wearing honda hard look, and v-tec revs I am used to.

Where in stl can I get a knowledgable person on these cars to take a look at it just to cover the basics with me, and get me started?

[scottfab]

Where is O'Fallon, Mo ?

[todesengel]

Where is O'Fallon, Mo ?
35 miles west of Saint Louis off of hwy 70

[Ccmano]

35 miles west of Saint Louis off of hwy 70

Just take it up to Marc Haibeck in Addison, IL. just west of Chicago. Marc is the best there is and a straight shooter. It will be well worth the time and effort. There are only a handfull of guys around the country that know what they're doing on these cars, particularly the engine. Your lucky to be so close the Marc.

http://www.zr1specialist.com/

Hans
:cheers:

[tccrab]

Just take it up to Marc Haibeck in Addison, IL. just west of Chicago. Marc is the best there is and a straight shooter. It will be well worth the time and effort. The are only a handfull of guys around the country that know what they're doing on these cars, particularly the engine. Your lucky to be so close the Marc.

http://www.zr1specialist.com/

Hans
:cheers:

X2

:cheers:

Order up one of Han's LT5 engraved throttle body plates while you're at it.
:thumbsup:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/Plenum008.jpg

TomC

[todesengel]

I cannot do that, but I appreciate the information. I refuse to do business with any Illinois company, and I completely avoid the state, even when it means travelling out of my way to do so. I dispise the politics, their refusal to accept the Bill of Rights of our Constitution, and even our basic fundamental rights from God.

I am sure he is a great guy, but I refuse to alter my own moral compass, even when it creates complications.

Thanks again.

X2

:cheers:

Order up one of Han's LT5 engraved throttle body plates while you're at it.
:thumbsup:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/Plenum008.jpg

TomC

[tccrab]

I cannot do that, but I appreciate the information. I refuse to do business with any Illinois company, and I completely avoid the state, even when it means travelling out of my way to do so. I dispise the politics, their refusal to accept the Bill of Rights of our Constitution, and even our basic fundamental rights from God.

I am sure he is a great guy, but I refuse to alter my own moral compass, even when it creates complications.

Thanks again.

OK, so you won't be visiting Marc Haibec just because he chooses to live in Illinois.
Politics aside, believe me when I say this, it is your loss.
:dontknow:
Marc is one of the best ZR1/LT5 tuners in the country and he lives only a short distance from you.
I would KILL to have him that close to me.:worship:
I'd probably be broke from all the mods I'd have him do to my Z, but I'd be one happy guy!!
:occasion1

The LT5 engraved Throttle Body plate comes from Hans "CCMANO", he was the one who posted first about Marc Haibec.
He lives in California.
Hopefully California isn't on your moral compass $hit list, although I can think of many reasons as to why it should be......:mrgreen:

TomC
"Crabs

[carter200]

The LT5 engraved Throttle Body plate comes from Hans "CCMANO"

TomC
"Crabs

Tom,
No,[-X I make the LT5 billet throttle plates. You Folsom guys are all alike :sign10: If you need one I got em' in stock right now.

[Z51JEFF]

I cannot do that, but I appreciate the information. I refuse to do business with any Illinois company, and I completely avoid the state, even when it means travelling out of my way to do so. I dispise the politics, their refusal to accept the Bill of Rights of our Constitution, and even our basic fundamental rights from God.

I am sure he is a great guy, but I refuse to alter my own moral compass, even when it creates complications.

Thanks again.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.K. I think were done here boys and girls.......................dont anybody mention Obama.On a side note to the OP,as stated there are a handful of people as in maybe 6 that know these cars just as well as the people that built them and Marc Haibeck happens to be one of them.If you want to go it alone,head on.

[Z51JEFF]

Tom,
No,[-X I make the LT5 billet throttle plates. You Folsom guys are all alike :sign10: If you need one I got em' in stock right now.

Can you do a custom design on the plate?

[carter200]

Can you do a custom design on the plate?

Depends on what you want. Space is limited. Fax me what you have in mind 325.625.5795

[tccrab]

Tom,
No,[-X I make the LT5 billet throttle plates. You Folsom guys are all alike :sign10: If you need one I got em' in stock right now.

Carter:

My SINCERE apologies!!
Must have had too many glasses of chardonnay with dinner!

TomC
'Crabs

[carter200]

Carter:

My SINCERE apologies!!
Must have had too many glasses of chardonnay with dinner!

TomC
'Crabs

Tom,
No biggy :mrgreen: We Rancho Boys have to give the Folsom guys a hard time some time. Again no prob :cheers:

[Z51JEFF]

Depends on what you want. Space is limited. Fax me what you have in mind 325.625.5795

Carter I will figure out what I want and get back to you.Ive got an extra TB plate so I can get something together.

[Pete]

At least we don't have emissions for our ZR-1's in IL:p

Yeah all the political crooks live in IL the rest of the 49 states have honest politicians and all are angels,phooey.

Pete

[carter200]

Jeff,
Keep me posted :thumbsup:

[Z51JEFF]

Hopefully California isn't on your moral compass $hit list, although I can think of many reasons as to why it should be......:mrgreen:

TomC
"Crabs

Its on mine and Ive been here all my life.Whenever somebody moves here I have to ask............WHY.:sign10:

[todesengel]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.K. I think were done here boys and girls.......................dont anybody mention Obama.On a side note to the OP,as stated there are a handful of people as in maybe 6 that know these cars just as well as the people that built them and Marc Haibeck happens to be one of them.If you want to go it alone,head on.
If I must, then I will, and I will master it as I have every other powerplant that I have worked on.

7m, 3s-gte, 1uz-fe, 1jz, 2jz, etc.

It is amazing how one is not allowed to march to their own beat. I do not like socialism, I believe in the constitution, the republic, and the founding fathers, not a socialist agenda. It is my money, and I will choose (at least as long as I am allowed to) where I spend it.

Your choices are yours, mine are mine. Just because you do not care where your money goes, or what you support do not judge me because I do. I judged nobody, I just like to control what I still can, and avoid that I do not believe in..

[todesengel]

At least we don't have emissions for our ZR-1's in IL:p

Yeah all the political crooks live in IL the rest of the 49 states have honest politicians and all are angels,phooey.

Pete
Nobody said that, but you have a lot less rights in your state, and a lot more corruption than most. I could not own half of what I do in Illinois, and would lose a lot more to the socialist regime there. There is a reason your state is so bankrupt, just like California, and every other entitlement ridden state.

What is your tax rate, ccw requirements, and entitlement percentage? I know, do you?

[todesengel]

Well, you boys have fun, I leave the forums as I found them.

I thought I found a forum of grown men, yet the children have come out already.

Enjoy your meet, and your community. Thanks for the questions you answered to this point.

Mods please delete my account

[Z51JEFF]

Well, you boys have fun, I leave the forums as I found them.

I thought I found a forum of grown men, yet the children have come out already.

Enjoy your meet, and your community. Thanks for the questions you answered to this point.

Mods please delete my account

One thing you need to keep in mind here,the ZR-1 owners are a tight knit group of people,when theres a question,somebody ALWAYS has an answer.When I need a part,somebody ALWAYS knows where to find it or get a part that will do the job.Your not doing yourself any favors here by alienating yourself.You have a car here that doesnt need alot of attention but will need maintenance from time to time and you will have question for as long as you own that car.If you choose to leave,thats on you but you wont benefit from it in the slightest.Now,all the talk about the Japanese this and that,I know nothin about that stuff,no interest.Feel free to stick around,the ZR-1 owner is a hardcore Corvette guy that is passionate about the car and is more than willing to help out an owner.Last summer there was an owner that was sick and needed help replacing the injectors before his car would make the trip,several thousand miles to his home.The guys on this site pulled together,got the job done and made it happen.If you choose to leave,C-Ya but you are more than welcome to stick around.

[Pete]

Dude relax.

I was just making a point about all politicians are crooks/sold out.

I like your enthusiasm about your Z we like those types here you will notice most here are just as enthusiastic and eager to help a brother.
Stick around for a while.
With your enthusiam and this forum you will be an LT5 expert before you know it.

Sit back crack open a beer and bring on the questions.

Pete

[scottfab]

Doug, There is a How To page on the ZR1NET webpage.
I don't see a link to the home page of the ZR1NET page so here
is one directly to the How T0s:

http://www.zr1netregistry.com/ZR1_howto.htm

[phrogs]

First how old are you was that a teper tan tram on the internet? you brought up political feelings never do that it doesnt work you get all fired up and pissed off no reason to do that, thats one reason why I do not get wraped up in to many things on the internet that im really serious about politics and religion to much BS goes on about that.

You have your feelings and thats fine don't go to IL theres a number of people that can work on it.

Hey Have fun working on it but be sure to get the special tools to do so.
I have the ones I need and made a few as well.


Just a War vet with a Vette who doesn't like the crap thats happening now but I was In Iraq the last time I voted and it wasnt for obama my squadron of MV-22s even flew his *** around and thats why I really dislike the guy he had no respect for the military, But Ill still use Mark Hiebeck if I need him.


You should be able to do most of the work on your motor yourself its just some situations require special tools so look in to that.

[Pete]

First how old are you was that a teper tan tram on the internet?



Too funny.
I just love it.

Won't spend money in the USA but has no problem giving it to China,Japan etc. i.e. the PC he used to post here, the TV he watches FOX on. lol

I could add more but just let this simmer for a while:)
Think before you speak otherwise you could look like a hypocrite.

Pete

PS
I never owned a Toyota.

[todesengel]

Too funny.
I just love it.

Won't spend money in the USA but has no problem giving it to China,Japan etc. i.e. the PC he used to post here, the TV he watches FOX on. lol

I could add more but just let this simmer for a while:)

Pete

PS
I never owned a Toyota.

Really, you never owned a Toyota? Good for you. Do you realize that a lot of Toyotas are more "American Made" than a lot of the domestic labels?

Funny how you can point out the tv, and computer, considering you made my point for me. I do NOT have a choice with those, I DO have a choice on some things, and choose to excercise my right to spend it where I see fit.

BTW, I do not watch FOX news, but that was a nice attempt at a dig.

I did not slam anyone here for their choice, I simply stated my own opinion, which apparently gets some peoples shorts in a knot. You choose to live there, and prop up their politics, fine, I choose not to fund them with the money I have control over. Why is that worthy of your attention, and effort to attack?

Temper tantrum? Here again a personal attack for someone stating their opinion, and excercising their rights that they still have. Would you willingly send money to Hugo Chavez? That is exactly the way I see the political movement in a lot of states. It is spreading, and I am sure that people will not wake up to stop it before the takeover is complete, but I will still do so while I still have some control.

BTW, before you go correcting the typo's in my posts perhaps you should concentrate on the spelling in your own (blue smoke thread). Personal attacks at someone else without perfection on your own end are kind of hypocritical, don't you think?

I wish you all the best in your endeavors, and sincerely wish nothing but the best for all of you.

[scottfab]

thats one reason why I do not get wraped up in to many things on the internet that im really serious about politics and religion to much BS goes on about that.
.....................
and it wasnt for obama my squadron of MV-22s even flew his *** around and thats why I really dislike the guy he had no respect for the military, .

I agree totally about BS on politics or religion or other things that are charged full of emotion yet not related to the ZR1. BUT IT KEEPS coming out.
What about just starting a thread over in the "Off Topic" area for this?
There could be treads like "slamming the president" or "Buying American" or "lets let poor people that get sick die" or "Muslims vs Jews" or any other crappy topic someone wants to let frustrations out on.:pray

Here is how it would work.... I now refuse to continue this unrelated topic
on this "Newb confusion" thread. gone... pooooof.
Look for "Buying American" under "Off Topic"

[Pete]

A member posted and gave you some sound advise on who to call for your ZR-1/LT5 just say thanks and go about your business instead you turn it into a political discussion.

So please don't put all the blame on others.
Marc is a good guy no matter where he works or lives.
Some of us don't have a choice where we live and work we can't all be lucky like you.
If i had a choice i would not live in IL.

If you wanna talk politics we do have a OFF TOPIC section,go for it.

Like i said before i like your enthusiasm hope you stick around.
Pete

[rkreigh]

Thanks for the very well thought out response :).

I couldn't agree with you more about the supra part, I am anti body kit of any kind, and looked hard and long for my hardtop/wingless car. It would eat my lf ZR-1 with no issue, but that is another story.
I like low key, and shopping cart handles do not fit the bill. Most people think my supra is a n/a [-X

Here are a couple pics of two of my favorite cars (besides the vette of course). My 1991 highly modified turbo awd celica, and my hardtop tt.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/chaosrob/IMG_1604.jpg


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/chaosrob/DSC_0346.jpg

My 1991 highly modified turbo awd celica

I was thinking of that car just the other day as a great car to go back and modify. poor mans evo

did they make a awd celica turbo? love the supra too, but then I've always been a turbo freak

my stable includes a highly modified turbo buick (bought new a T)

and a TT 2003 Z06 (tiger shark front, specter werks rear)

welcome to the wave, it's how us vette guys tip our hat to others

the ZR-1 guys wave!!

[phrogs]

Temper tantrum? Here again a personal attack for someone stating their opinion, and excercising their rights that they still have. Would you willingly send money to Hugo Chavez? That is exactly the way I see the political movement in a lot of states. It is spreading, and I am sure that people will not wake up to stop it before the takeover is complete, but I will still do so while I still have some control.




Your taking what I said as a personal attack? brother you don't know what a personal attack is. I was asking a question and you still didn't answer it. Exercising my rights? I hate to tell you but I gave you your rights and Ill never lose mine ill be a part of the next revolution if it comes to it. My opinion is not an opinion its a fact DO NOT bring politics and crap into a general car forum take it elsewhere but whatever I refuse to get wraped up in BS on the internet.

We want you to stick around I was trying to shed some light on what you were doing no one here really cares that you hate that state. They told you who the closest mechanic is and thats where he is, otherwise you will spend more money going to different states.

Do you like the following states? MO, TX, KY, CT, LA ? theres tuners for the LT5 in each you can search and find lists of the tuners.

But I guarentee that this place is the best for knowlage on your ZR-1 don't leave because of Illinois because if you do that means illinois got you again!

[secondchance]

My 1991 highly modified turbo awd celica

I was thinking of that car just the other day as a great car to go back and modify. poor mans evo

did they make a awd celica turbo? love the supra too, but then I've always been a turbo freak

my stable includes a highly modified turbo buick (bought new a T)

and a TT 2003 Z06 (tiger shark front, specter werks rear)

welcome to the wave, it's how us vette guys tip our hat to others

the ZR-1 guys wave!!

Good try, Ron.:mrgreen:

[todesengel]

I will just follow thumpers mothers advice, and move on from that which I do not agree with.

Not changing my views, just biting my tongue with a mouthful of blood.

So how about that wave............

[-=Jeff=-]

yep, the wave has always been amongst vette owners. when I bought my first vette in 1993, I was told about it, like Motorcycles, unwritten rule to wave to those like you.

when I bought my vette in 1993 EVERY vette waved, to me it seemed when the C5 was released that declined and still declines.. I still wave to every vette.. too bad many don't any more.

[GrayZ]

Truth be told, Jeff waves at all men in any type of sports car.....:sign10:

[scottfab]

I waved at a Supra the other day as I pulled past him.=D>
He did not wave back.:mad:

[todesengel]

I waved at a Supra the other day as I pulled past him.=D>
He did not wave back.:mad:
Must have been a n/a :wink:

[-=Jeff=-]

Truth be told, Jeff waves at all men in any type of sports car.....:sign10:
:sign10:

Too funny!!