Early Road&Track ZR-1 issue.

[Z51JEFF]

Who else has this issue?Ive had this all these years,its seen better days thats for sure.Anybody know what # this red car is?This issue also has Challenge cars too.http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/FLYTYM/DSCN0198.jpghttp://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/FLYTYM/DSCN0200.jpghttp://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a136/FLYTYM/DSCN0201.jpg

[vettebrett]

Any chance to get a close up scan of that Challenge article PLEASE??:-D:-D

[LGAFF]

I have about 20 old ZR-1 magazines, just picked up the april 94 Black Widow magazine and the Lingenfelter 415 0-150-0 magazine.

[ZZZZZR1]

I have a copy of that issue (compliments of Ricky).

Great articles!!!!!!!!!!!

:thumbsup:


David

[1989ZR1#74]

That is the early phase III pilot Red/Red. I am about 95% sure thats #003. The car is one of the first 17. It is not #004, #010, #016. The same car was at Riverside and about 10 other 1988 magazines. There were 4 early media Phase III Pilots, 1 Red/Red, 1 Yellow/black, 1 White/Red, 1 White/black. When looking at these early 89s first thing is look at the expansion tank. If it is white it is pre 55. Black after 60. If it is Phase III it is <#16. Phase III can be determined by the Machined PVC setup.

[LGAFF]

This is an interesting one for a challenge collector, this car is about 10 miles from my house:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Keepin-Track-of-Vettes-9-1990-Bakeracing-Corvette_W0QQitemZ350316439448QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM agazines?hash=item51907ca798


ZR-1 racing article:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JULY-1991-KEEPIN-TRACK-OF-VETTES-MAGAZINE-VOL-15-10_W0QQitemZ270056639312QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMagazin es?hash=item3ee0a14b50

[1989ZR1#74]

What is interesting on these Pilots is the changes made. The LT5 emblems were replaced by ZR-1s and the valve cover emblems were also later added. I have all of the 1988 magazines. I have studied them closely. One thing when trying to ID a media car is they often will substitute other file photos. When the media cars hit France there are a few stock old phase three LT5 pictures used. All of the Europe cars hat Phase IV LT5s with white tanks. most likely #40 to #60 range. The articles that appear after 6/89 almost all feature the European press cars. Then #074 appeared in some magazines from 8/89 to 1/90. Mostly small circulation and regional stuff, Vette, LA Times etc. The France cars appear to have been handed over to Engineering. I think ZR-12 is a France car, The 24 Hour record car is a France car. They maybe the only two left that crossed the pond.

[vettebrett]

ZR-1 racing article:

http://cgi.ebay.com/JULY-1991-KEEPIN-TRACK-OF-VETTES-MAGAZINE-VOL-15-10_W0QQitemZ270056639312QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMagazin es?hash=item3ee0a14b50

$15 for that magazine:jawdrop:

I can tell you that car or its brother is for sale for $50k in non running condition
(Pic taken by Blue Flame Restorations)
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/0161.jpg[/IMG]

[Z51JEFF]

Brett,I dont have access to a scanner but Ill figure out how to get you the article.There is a black-black car that also has a white expansion tank.Theres an article on the active cars but the photos dont show the vented hoods,did these cars have the vented hoods from the start or did they come out later?The issue I have was new when I got it years ago,Ive read this book from cover to cover more times than I know.

[LGAFF]

$15 for that magazine:jawdrop:

I can tell you that car or its brother is for sale for $50k in non running condition
[/IMG]

Does non running mean no engine or just not a working engine.

[scholtmj]

I have that issue too. PM me your email address and I can take a couple pictures of the challenge article.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Does non running mean no engine or just not a working engine.

NO DRIVETRAIN at all. Lots of $$$ for an empty race car, IMO, although I've been known to pay crazy $$ for a car. Go figure...

[1989ZR1#74]

Brett,I dont have access to a scanner but Ill figure out how to get you the article.There is a black-black car that also has a white expansion tank.Theres an article on the active cars but the photos dont show the vented hoods,did these cars have the vented hoods from the start or did they come out later?The issue I have was new when I got it years ago,Ive read this book from cover to cover more times than I know.

At first I thought that could be #10, but #10 has/had a Phase III LT5. That Black on gray car w/blue tint roof panel, was the track car if I remember. That was a Phase IV post #40 pre #60 car. Probably one of the 5 they built late January/early February 1989 that they did not send to Geneva. black/gray interior. That really was not a media car. That was an engineering car. I would bet that Jim Ingles would remember that car. This issue is a compilation issue of various ZR-1 articles from 1988 and 1989.

[Z51JEFF]

At first I thought that could be #10, but #10 has/had a Phase III LT5. That Black on gray car w/blue tint roof panel, was the track car if I remember. That was a Phase IV post #40 pre #60 car. Probably one of the 5 they built late January/early February 1989 that they did not send to Geneva. black/gray interior. That really was not a media car. That was an engineering car. I would bet that Jim Ingles would remember that car. This issue is a compilation issue of various ZR-1 articles from 1988 and 1989.

Yes I believe the car had grey interior,I thought it might be blue but it does look lighter than black.

[flyin ryan]

I've also got that issue. Might be the only 'Road & Track' I've ever bought in my life :icon_scra, LOL. Bought it new off the rack back in the day. Would probably be lucky to scrape up enough cash for that mag back then...I would have been just a punk :mrgreen:.

[vettebrett]

NO DRIVETRAIN at all. Lots of $$$ for an empty race car, IMO, although I've been known to pay crazy $$ for a car. Go figure...

You are correct. I think a race car like that might go for $5k - $10k with no drivetrain. Brett would be the one to make that call since he owns a Morrison race car


although I've been known to pay crazy $$ for a car. Go figure...

Yes I am sure you have paid lots of money for wrecked and destroyed cars but with your restoration business you and a select few others have the ability to bring these cars back to life.

I know I am waiting for pics on the restoration of your Morrison race car:p

[Aurora40]

http://aurora40.dyndns.org/Hometown/corvettezr11990/articles/RoadandTrack1989.pdf

[A1990]

Bob, thanks for posting that. Very good read.

[1989ZR1#74]

Here are the pictures of the Phase IV "white tank" Willow Springs track car.


http://www.syreal.com/randttrack2.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/randttrack1.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/randtpahseiv.jpg

[rhipsher]

I would have been just a punk :mrgreen:.You still are.:mrgreen: Hardy har har.

[TommyL]

It is amazing the attention these cars got in the day 10 years later they faded away some what. Now 20 years later they are becomming popular and getting a little attention again. =D>

[Aurora40]

I took our Buick over to the dealer recently for some work, and when picking it up noticed the calendar they had up. It was an AC Delco I think? But the picture was that '89 red ZR-1 up on some rocks overlooking the ocean. Considering it was a 2010 calendar, I thought that was pretty cool.

I imagine the new Z is partly responsible for the resurgence.

[1989ZR1#74]

I took our Buick over to the dealer recently for some work, and when picking it up noticed the calendar they had up. It was an AC Delco I think? But the picture was that '89 red ZR-1 up on some rocks overlooking the ocean. Considering it was a 2010 calendar, I thought that was pretty cool.

I imagine the new Z is partly responsible for the resurgence.

Was it this one? if so this is again most likely #003 Red/Red.

http://www.syreal.com/003rocks.jpg

You can buy a copy of this photo from the GM Photo Archive. They misrepresent it as a 1990 ZR-1.

http://www.gmphotostore.com/1990-Chevrolet-Corvette-ZR-1-Coupe/productinfo/53217958/[

[Aurora40]

Yup, that's the picture. They do say it's a 1990, but that only makes sense. It was a press car to sell the 1990 model year. Saying it was a 1989 ZR-1 on a calendar would just be confusing, since there was no 1989 model year for the Z. Most press cars are not production cars or else they wouldn't have any press until the car had been out for months (magazine lead times were terrible). I wouldn't call it misrepresentation.

[XfireZ51]

I took our Buick over to the dealer recently for some work, and when picking it up noticed the calendar they had up. It was an AC Delco I think? But the picture was that '89 red ZR-1 up on some rocks overlooking the ocean. Considering it was a 2010 calendar, I thought that was pretty cool.

I imagine the new Z is partly responsible for the resurgence.

And yet some on this board originally objected to the name ZR1 for the new Z. I felt then, and still do now, that the new ZR would raise the overall visibility of the ZR1 line and people would appreciate more what had been done by McClellan back in the late 80's. The legacy and the legend have been rekindled and now with 20 years gone by, the C4 ZR-1 is still thoroughly up to the task of holding its own.

[1989ZR1#74]

Yup, that's the picture. They do say it's a 1990, but that only makes sense. It was a press car to sell the 1990 model year. Saying it was a 1989 ZR-1 on a calendar would just be confusing, since there was no 1989 model year for the Z. Most press cars are not production cars or else they wouldn't have any press until the car had been out for months (magazine lead times were terrible). I wouldn't call it misrepresentation.

Not to nitpick, but they did have an 89 MY (Either that or someone owes me a refund). And GM also had several 1990 press, media, advertising pilots. The 1990 is quite a bit different. The wheels and the interior for starters. THat was not a press car to sell 1990s that was a press car to sell 1989s. They did not shelve the 89 MY until 4/19/89. They built 44 produciton saleable 89s (#40 to #84)This is a mistake/error. whoever labeled it as a 1990 probably did not know there was an 89, but that is an 1989 built in 03/1988 to introduce the 89 MY ZR-1. That is not a 1990 ZR-1.

[Aurora40]

Not to nitpick, but they did have an 89 MY
They did?? What were the fuel economy numbers? What was the MSRP of a 1989 ZR-1? How many did they sell?

Here I thought the production cars started with the 1990 model year.

[1989ZR1#74]

They did?? What were the fuel economy numbers? What was the MSRP of a 1989 ZR-1? How many did they sell?

Here I thought the production cars started with the 1990 model year.

Fuel Economy:

17mpg City
25 Mpg Highway.

MSRP on #004 was $60,034.00 (#004 had the $915 dual top option and a $58 Illuminated visor mirror)
MSRP on #074 was $59,734.00
Dealer invoice on #074 was $47,867.20
both had a destination charge of $500

Although none were sold to the public in 1989 GM did sell 2 on MSOs last year. So total MSO sales for 1989 was 2
All cars produced are sold to someone. #004 was sold to GM Photo/Cambell Ewald.

And the fact that none were sold (to the public) in 1989 does not mean there was not an 1989 model year. #003 was produced to sell 1989s, not as you stated "It was a press car to sell the 1990 model year." They fully intended to sell 1989s when it was made. any period use of #003 as a 1990 advertising car was/would have been a secondary decision.


Bob I am not trying to be anything but informative. but to call #003 a 1990 is a misstatement.

[1989ZR1#74]

Here is a "period" picture of one of the 1990 Media/advertising pilots. This picture was taken in 1989. What is interesting about this ZR-1 is it also had its seat backs painted Saddle like the 1989 Advertising Pilot #004 has. This car may infact have a 1989 VIN number. 7 1989 VINs were used to build the 1990 Pilots. All of the 1989 Pilots had 1989 VINs, only ZR-1 "prototypes" had earlier VINs.

http://www.syreal.com/1990media.jpg

[Aurora40]

Bob I am not trying to be anything but informative. but to call #003 a 1990 is a misstatement.
I think it's really cool that there are prototype cars running around, and it's really cool that people like you and Tyler and others have gathered so much information about them.

But the fact remains that actual production of the ZR-1 spanned the 1990-1995 model years. And for the sake of a calendar, calling the car a "1989" would simply cause confusion.

[1989ZR1#74]

I think it's really cool that there are prototype cars running around, and it's really cool that people like you and Tyler and others have gathered so much information about them.

But the fact remains that actual production of the ZR-1 spanned the 1990-1995 model years. And for the sake of a calendar, calling the car a "1989" would simply cause confusion.

I agree about confusion, but whoever made the calendar had access to real 1990 Advertising cars. Because they failed to find it and used a 1989 does not make #003 a 1990. The editor of the calander and the GM Photo Archive incorrectly call that car a 90. I Would feel the same if they used a 91 and called it a 90. The calander should not say 1989 ZR-1 it should have the right picture. And production spanned 89 to 95. They have their own Sequence and VIN numbers... You and I disagree and that is OK with me.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

And production spanned 89 to 95. They have their own Sequence and VIN numbers...

I'm new here but have to agree that the 89's were, in fact, production models, even though they were not released as 89's. If the introduction of the ZR1 would have been in the 89 model year, these cars would have been the first to be sold.

[1989ZR1#74]

I'm new here but have to agree that the 89's were, in fact, production models, even though they were not released as 89's. If the introduction of the ZR1 would have been in the 89 model year, these cars would have been the first to be sold.


Listen here Newbie. I don't care what Tyler says they never made ZR-1s in 1987.... ;)

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Listen here Newbie. I don't care what Tyler says they never made ZR-1s in 1987.... ;)

:blahblah::blahblah::blahblah::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Tyler Townsley]

Listen here Newbie. I don't care what Tyler says they never made ZR-1s in 1987.... ;)

Maybe I need to ask for another build sheet, this one says Queenie was built 6-87
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/43buildsheet.jpg
and this
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/87_89pd.jpg
tells me it was a prototype ZR-1

You newbees just don't know nothing and no matter what car somebody drags out from under some rock mine is the earliest ZR-1 know to exist.

Tyler

:icon_stud

[1989ZR1#74]

Maybe I need to ask for another build sheet, this one says Queenie was built 6-87
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/43buildsheet.jpg
and this
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/87_89pd.jpg
tells me it was a prototype ZR-1

You newbees just don't know nothing and no matter what car somebody drags out from under some rock mine is the earliest ZR-1 know to exist.

Tyler

:icon_stud

Ha ha all ZR-1s had FX3 does Queenie???

Just kidding....

[vettebrett]

Maybe I need to ask for another build sheet, this one says Queenie was built 6-87
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/43buildsheet.jpg (http://deliquescence.net/%7Etyler/prototype1/43buildsheet.jpg)
and this
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/87_89pd.jpg (http://deliquescence.net/%7Etyler/prototype1/87_89pd.jpg)
tells me it was a prototype ZR-1

You newbees just don't know nothing and no matter what car somebody drags out from under some rock mine is the earliest ZR-1 know to exist.

Tyler

:icon_stud

What about that pesky yellow 86??

[Tyler Townsley]

What about that pesky yellow 86??

The 86s were normal production cars that were chopped up to fit the driveline and were known as mules. The 88s had the wide body, wheels, radiator, and driveline and all were fitted on the production line.

Tyler