Generic Prototype Thread

[zedrone]

should we have a separate thread for generic prototype stuff so we can make it easier to track restorations on specific cars?

Ed

[1989ZR1#74]

Ed, perhaps you can edit your original post to track specific known Prototypes? OR I guess I can eh?

Known ZR-1/Corvette Prototypes the list includes cars that still exist and those destroyed

Since EX is the "VIN" and the P number is GM internal I will sort by EX. If no EX is present or available then by P number:

BGEX = Rosette Rivet Bowling Green installed Prototype.
POSTEX = Pop rivet assigned EX after Bowling Green.
I = Intact or somewhat intact
D = Destroyed
P = Some parts exist
U = Unkown
Number followed by a U is a paint code ie 81U is Red
Number followed by a 2 or a C is an interior code ie 192 is Black leather 19C is Black Cloth.

EX5002 P8Y075 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 81U Red 602 Saddle 88VIN#0034
EX5003 P8Y076 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 41U Black 902 Gray 88 VIN#0035
EX5004 P8Y077 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 13U Silver 902 Gray 88 VIN#0036 first spy photo car.
EX5005 P8Y078 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 20U MBlue 212 Blue 88 VIN#0037
EX5006 P8Y079 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 28U Saph M 192 Black 88 VIN#0038
EX5007 P8Y080 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype
EX5008 P8Y081 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 41U Black 732 Red 88 VIN#0040
EX5009 P8Y082 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 66U Orange Metallic 902 Gray 88 VIN#0041
EX5010 P8Y083 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 74U Flame Red 192 Black 88 VIN#0042 Early Active prototype?
EX5011 P8Y084 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 81U Red 602 Saddle 88 VIN#0055 FX3 Selective Ride Prototype
EX5012 P8Y085 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 90U MGray 902 Gray 88 VIN#0057 FX3 Selective Ride Prototype
EX5013 P8Y086 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype
EX5014 P8Y087 BGEX I 88 ZR-1 Prototype 20U MBlue 212 MBlue 88 VIN#0043 Tyler's Queenie
EX5015 P8Y088 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 81U Red 192 Black 88 VIN#0044
EX5016 P8Y089 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 41U Black 192 Black 88 VIN#0045
EX5017 P8Y090 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 81U Red 732 Red 88 VIN#0053
EX5018 P8Y091 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 73U Flame Red 602 Saddle FX3 Selective Ride Prototype
EX5019 P8Y092 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype
EX5020 P8Y093 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 90U Smk Gray 902 Gray 88 VIN#0056 FX3 Selective Ride Prototype
EX5021 P8Y094 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 96U Smk Gray 902 Gray 88 VIN#0051
EX5022 P8Y095 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 96U Smk Gray 19C Black 88 VIN#0047
EX5023 P8Y094 BGEX I 88 ZR-1 Prototype. 20U MBlue 212 MBlue 88 VIN#0048 Geoff Jeal's AR9 Euro Seats Blue Flame Brett's now.
EX5024 P8Y097 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 66U Orange Metallic 60C Saddle AR9 Seats
EX5025 P8Y096 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 96U Smk Gray 19C Black 88 VIN#0050 Convertible ZR-1 Prototype
EX5026 P8Y099 BGEX U 88 ZR-1 Prototype 90U M Gray 19C Black AR9 Seats
EX5028 BGEX I 1989 ZR-2 Big Doggie.
EX5038 BGEX I 1989 L98 Record Car
EX5387 P0Y052 BGEX U 1989 Active Suspension Prototype. 89 VIN# 0025
EX5664 P9Y074 I POSTEX 1989 ZR-1 Conan Falconner V12 at NCM VIN# 0040
EX5669 P9Y079 I POSTEX 1989 24 Hour Record Car. VIN#0045
EX5881 BGEX I 1990 Active Prototype. Last seen 2009 Barrett Jackson Palm Springs
EX5883 BGEX U 1990 Active Prototype At California Street Rods. 11/2003
EX5884 BGEX U 1990 Active Prototype At California Street Rods. 11/2003
EX5886 BGEX U 1989 ZR-1 at St Pete. GP in 1989
EX6153 POSTEX I Snake Skinner II last seen Barrett Jackson 2009 Scottsdale
EX6274 BGEX U 1990 ZR-1 Stock looking at a race somewhere.

P8Y028 1986 U ZR-1 Lotus Calibration Car
P8Y041 1986 U ZR-1 Development car/mule
P8Y044 1986 U ZR-1 Development car/mule
18Y220 U 1988 Corvette Challenge VIN#114511 6 Speed White

P9Y030 U 1989 Med Blue ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0001
P9Y031 U 1989 Yellow ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0002
P9Y032 U 1989 White ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0014
P9Y033 U 1989 White ZR-1 Pilot, VIN #0015
P9Y034 I 1989 White ZR-1 Pilot. Tested in Spring 1989 Corvette Quarterly VIN#0016
P9Y035 U 1989 White ZR-1 Pilot. VIN# 0017 last pilot
P9Y049 U 1989 Red/Red ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0007
P9Y050 U 1989 Pearl/Black ZR-1 Pilot. VIN# 0006
P9Y051 U 1989 Black/Black ZR-1 Pilot. VIN#0008
P9Y053 U 1989 L98 Pilot Coupe VIN# 0015 6 Speed NBlue
P9Y054 U 1989 LT5 Pilot Vert VIN# 0033 6S Arctic Pearl
P9Y056 U 1989 L98 Pilot Coupe VIN# 0006 AT Yellow
P9Y058 U 1989 L98 Pilot Coupe VIN# 0016 6 Speed Black
P9Y061 U 1989 L98 Pilot Vert VIN# 0018 6 Speed Black
P9Y062 U 1989 L98 Pilot Coupe VIN# 0019 6 Speed B Red Was Later converted to Corvette Challenge "Splash"
P9Y064 U 1989 L98 Pilot Coupe VIN# 0007 AT Artic Pearl
P9Y066 P 1989 ZR-1 running gear in CA. VIN #0010
P9Y067 U 1989 White/Gray ZR-1 Pilot, VIN#0011
P9Y069 U 1989 Yellow/Black ZR-1 Pilot, VIN#0012
P9Y070 U 1989 Black Saphire/Black ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0013
P9Y071 U 1989 L98 Pilot Vert VIN# 0008 AT Artic Pearl
P9Y072 U 1989 Red ZR-1 Pilot, VIN# 0005
P9Y079 I 1989 ZR-1 24 Hour record car at NCM

S9YKH1 I 1989 ZR-1 Advertising car VIN# 0004

19Y0123 I 1989 ZR-1 #081 Snake Skinner Now owned by Rick Hendrick
19Y133 I 1989 ZR-1 #016 Yellow Geneva show car
19Y170 U 1989 ZR-1 France Press Tour car

9PR450 I 1989 ZR-1 Red/Red Press car VIN# 0003
9PR110 I 1989 ZR-1 Red/Black Press Car VIN# 0074
9PR111 I 1989 ZR-1 DRM/Black Press Car VIN# 0078


10Y0024 I 1990 ZR-1 VIN#101 Quaility Control/PEP car 90 LT5 engine #1

[zedrone]

this will be a long thread, I need to dig out some photos and docs...but to start:
P8Y041 & 44, '86 development cars/ mules

[zedrone]

Other scrapyard cars..

'89 014- Pearl White- Roebuck's car
'89 018- Blue- Yager's
? anothe Pearl White from UK, went to GA
'90 005- Conv in Fl, Crist/ Zazarine
'90 014- blk '90

[zedrone]

found a pic of one of the early DIC diaplays, shows "Electronic Throttle Control" in lieu of "Full Power" Its in the spot next to the battery symbol.
Ed

[1989ZR1#74]

Other scrapyard cars..

'89 014- Pearl White- Roebuck's car
'89 018- Blue- Yager's
? anothe Pearl White from UK, went to GA
'90 005- Conv in Fl, Crist/ Zazarine
'90 014- blk '90

Mike Yeager states his is #080

[1989ZR1#74]

found a pic of one of the early DIC diaplays, shows "Electronic Throttle Control" in lieu of "Full Power" Its in the spot next to the battery symbol.
Ed

That sounds more like traction control?

[zedrone]

Mike Yeager claims his is #080

yep, sorry, that's correct

Ed

[zedrone]

That sounds more like traction control?

This was from an '88 I believe, long before ASR. They also had LTPWS in them. I installed this DIC in an '85 that belonged to a friend, its running around somewhere, lol.

Ed

[Tyler Townsley]

This was from an '88 I believe, long before ASR. They also had LTPWS in them. I installed this DIC in an '85 that belonged to a friend, its running around somewhere, lol.

Ed

I have the build sheets for the 88s. None have the FX3 option they are all FG3.

Also add:

EX5014 mine
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88_mus_09_s.jpg
EX5023 Geoff
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/BlueWreckFront.jpg

'89 014- Pearl White- Roebuck's car
->Same car<-
? anothe Pearl White from UK, went to GA
Was rebuilt by Gene Tucker in Macon GA for Roebuck
There is also a 89 narrow body LT-5 car in private hands but I do not know the vin

Tyler

[Corvettes White]

This car was in Calif. in November 2003.

George

[Tyler Townsley]

88 vins 34-56 were prototypes EX5002-EX5026 The P numbers were P8Y075-99
Geoffs was P8Y094
vin 50 EX5025 was a convertible, I would not be suprised if that car was not out there somewhere.

Tyler

[zedrone]

I have the build sheets for the 88s. None have the FX3 option they are all FG3.

Also add:

EX5014 mine
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88_mus_09_s.jpg
EX5023 Geoff
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype1/BlueWreckFront.jpg

'89 014- Pearl White- Roebuck's car
->Same car<-
? anothe Pearl White from UK, went to GA
Was rebuilt by Gene Tucker in Macon GA for Roebuck
There is also a 89 narrow body LT-5 car in private hands but I do not know the vin

Tyler

there were two Pearl White ones.

Ed

[1989ZR1#74]

88 vins 34-56 were prototypes EX5002-EX5026 The P numbers were P8Y075-99
Geoffs was P8Y094
vin 50 EX5025 was a convertible, I would not be suprised if that car was not out there somewhere.

Tyler
Tyler, Would your 1988 have had a VIN installed at BG or a EX installed with Rosette Rivets?

[1989ZR1#74]

there were two Pearl White ones.

Ed
Here is the white Phase III Pilot from Corvette Quarterly Fall 1988. Looks like it has a black interior. Not sure if this was 14 or not.

http://www.syreal.com/whitepilotsm.jpg

[zedrone]

Here is the white Phase III Pilot from Corvette Quarterly Fall 1988. Looks like it has a black interior. Not sure if this was 14 or not.

http://www.syreal.com/whitepilotsm.jpg

there were two white/ red interior ones. I've got the docs in my files at home in a box somewhere. There was a Dark Blue Met. one also. I'm only talking about cars that I've had in my hands at one time. I want to say the dark blue one was #47, but I'm probably wrong. The other white '89 might have been #18.

Ed

[Tyler Townsley]

Tyler, Would your 1988 have had a VIN installed at BG or a EX installed with Rosette Rivets?

The EX plate with the roseta rivets was done at the factory as that was where the rivets were kept. They were pretty well controlled. Mine has the EX vin in the windshield but like every car that came down the production line there is/was a standard production vin stamped in the frame.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Here is the white Phase III Pilot from Corvette Quarterly Fall 1988. Looks like it has a black interior. Not sure if this was 14 or not.

http://www.syreal.com/whitepilotsm.jpg

In the Spring 1989 Corvette Quarterly they list this white pilot as P9Y034

[1989ZR1#74]

Found a picture I took at the NCM at last years Gathering. The Geneva's P number is:

19Y133

http://www.syreal.com/19pnumber.JPG

[Blue Flame Restorations]

What is this?? P8Y055
What is the story on this car? Boneyard car?

http://tinypic.com/r/w0nyue/6

[1989ZR1#74]

What is this?? P8Y055
What is the story on this car? Boneyard car?

http://tinypic.com/r/w0nyue/6


That's 89 #055 that became ZR-32 when it was at California Street Rods.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

What was ZR32? Was it the purple 32 Ford that is pictured with your car?

[Z51JEFF]

What was ZR32? Was it the purple 32 Ford that is pictured with your car?

Thats the one.

[1989ZR1#74]

What was ZR32? Was it the purple 32 Ford that is pictured with your car?


Except it was a 32 Chevy not a ford. Had the LT5 from #055 and an automatic transmission.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Glad to hear it was a 32 Chevy. Is that car still around anywhere? I wonder what happened to the prototype body tub? Probably scrapped.

How did the shop acquire the prototype in the first place. Sorry about all the questions. Is there a story somewhere I could just read on my own?

[1989ZR1#74]

Glad to hear it was a 32 Chevy. Is that car still around anywhere? I wonder what happened to the prototype body tub? Probably scrapped.

How did the shop acquire the prototype in the first place. Sorry about all the questions. Is there a story somewhere I could just read on my own?


Chevrolet commisioned the car. Gave them the parts + #074. They built it in 1989/1990. Showed the chassis at SEMA. THe car was entered in the Oakland Hot Rod show. It didn't win. It then was shown on the NSRA circuit and finally raffled off at the 1990 NSRA national show. Somewhere I have the name of the winner. I am not sure who owns it now, but it has been seen in the last few years at a Goodguys show.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Thanks, Eric:thumbsup:

[Corvettes White]

Glad ... I wonder what happened to the prototype body tub? Probably scrapped....?

I asked and was told it was scraped. George

[Tyler Townsley]

That sounds more like traction control?

In a conversation somewhare someone made refrence to GM testing early traction contron systems with these cars.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

How many 88 ZR1 prototypes are known to exist? Just Tyler's and Geoff's?

[Tyler Townsley]

How many 88 ZR1 prototypes are known to exist? Just Tyler's and Geoff's?

Thats all I know of but of course mines the oldest and is THE QUEEN.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Thats all I know of but of course mines the oldest and is THE QUEEN.

Tyler

Hahaha. Geoff's must be the King or (Elvis) maybe???

[Tyler Townsley]

Hahaha. Geoff's must be the King or (Elvis) maybe???

Cars are female, you should know that. Fickel, expensive, and willing to go with anyone who has the key.

Tyler

[tomtom72]

Cars are female, you should know that. Fickel, expensive, and willing to go with anyone who has the key.

Tyler

:sign10:

Now that's the best definition!:thumbsup:

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Just don't call it Margret Thatcher or Hillary!

[vettebrett]

Just call it Michelle and you can be like our president[-X

[Blue Flame Restorations]

That's just not right.....:(

[1989ZR1#74]

Found ZR-2's EX number in my Barrett Jackson pictures:

http://www.syreal.com/zr2exnumber.JPG

[vettebrett]

Ok, I know I am a new guy here and everyone as a group seems to accept people that do not own ZR-1's just yet unlike a small group of Corvette Challenge owners. But I have some info that should help out everyone that is trying to keep track of the 89 ZR-1's.

I know that GM has in their possession 2 89 ZR-1's and they are number 1 and 3, I have also tracked down the VIN for this car this car that is pictured here.

The VIN is 1G1YZ21J5K5800013

This is the press car that was used by Morrison for Press events and advertising for GM, Goodyear and Mobil 1. This car is just like the record breaking car except for the fuel cell in the original car.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/1990-LandSpeedRecord-LT5ZR1-03.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Ok, I know I am a new guy here and everyone as a group seems to accept people that do not own ZR-1's just yet unlike a small group of Corvette Challenge owners. But I have some info that should help out everyone that is trying to keep track of the 89 ZR-1's.

I know that GM has in their possession 2 89 ZR-1's and they are number 1 and 3, I have also tracked down the VIN for this car this car that is pictured here.

The VIN is 1G1YZ21J5K5800013

This is the press car that was used by Morrison for Press events and advertising for GM, Goodyear and Mobil 1. This car is just like the record breaking car except for the fuel cell in the original car.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/1990-LandSpeedRecord-LT5ZR1-03.jpg


Thanks Brett, I had that #013, but had not confirmed it. I know about #003 it's a red/red pilot used in many pre France press tests. I have never heard that #001 exists please share your source.

The 89s I have GM owning:

#003 Red/Red
#016 Yellow/Black Geneva
#040 ZR-12 V12
#045 Record car

[vettebrett]

This information came from someone that deals with GM's collection on a daily basis. I try not to bother him 2 much but when I talk to him in the next couple of months, I "might" be able to get the VIN's for 1 and 3( I will try and get the color of #1), the reason I have this contact is I have been working on a C4 race car book and made the right connections for some of my research. Can we get a complete list of the 88 and 89 ZR-1 VIN's in one place or do you have them all? I know I would like to have this info for reference purposes in dealing with my book because the ZR-1's were raced in ALMS in 90 and 91 by Morrison.

I talked to Chuck Mallett yesterday and he told me his brother Lance had documented every car that Morrsion had built (they worked for Tommy from 83-95 I believe)so I will be talking to them in the near future to see what info that they have that would be useful to me and your search for the early cars.

[1989ZR1#74]

Brett, I have all the 89 VINs. I will send them to you.

[vettebrett]

1989ZR1#74, Thanks for volunteering to send that info to me:handshak:

You can send it to brettrichmond@comcast.net or corvettechallengeregistry@comcast.net

Thanks Again

Brett

[1989ZR1#74]

1989ZR1#74, Thanks for volunteering to send that info to me:handshak:

You can send it to brettrichmond@comcast.net or corvettechallengeregistry@comcast.net

Thanks Again

Brett

Will get that to you tomorrow, The data is on office PC.

[Tyler Townsley]

Brett, I have all the 89 VINs. I will send them to you.

The specific info is avaiable on the build sheets that you can get from the NCM. I have a copy of ALL 1988 ZR-1 build sheets so what do you need to know.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/87_89production.jpg

Tyler

[vettebrett]

Is there a way to back trace a VIN from an EX number?? I am looking for the VIN for this car and the only thing I know is the EX number is 5038. This is the L98 car that was run at Ft. Stockton with the record breaking ZR-1 in 1990. This car should be one of the 89 L98 prototypes I believe.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/1990-L98-LandSpeedRecord-06.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Is there a way to back trace a VIN from an EX number?? I am looking for the VIN for this car and the only thing I know is the EX number is 5038. This is the L98 car that was run at Ft. Stockton with the record breaking ZR-1 in 1990. This car should be one of the 89 L98 prototypes I believe.


There is no "civilian" way to determine that. You could find it if you had access to the car. The VIN would be on the Build sheet in the cross member, on the Build Sheet on the gas tank (although I would bet it has a fuel cell so no tank) on the frame in front of the battery or on the SPI under the center console lid (my bet that's gone as well).

What we can guess at though is it was most likely an 1988, produced during 1987 production or early 1988 production (ie around August 1987). The EX number is probably too low to be an 1989 or later. Go look at the second post on the thread. It is where I am keeping a running list of know EX and P numbers. You will see that Tyler's Queenie has an EX# of EX5014 and it was produced during the 1987 model year.

Tyler on your build sheet information, what vin number was EX5026? That would narrow it down somewhat. We could assume it was after that one. Would that have been #57?

Eric

[1989ZR1#74]

The last 1988 ZR-1 prototype should have had this 1988 VIN:

1G1YY2180J5100057
This car was EX5026

So I would think that the L98 Ft Stockton car would have been 'newer' then that VIN.

Looking at the remarks on Tyler's sheet the car was probably in the #64 to 73 range. if it was a 1 to 1 EX to VIN (which I doubt) it would be 1988 VIN#069. So if I had to hunt for it through The NCM build sheets or through GMs Media Archives I would check #69,#70,#71,#72 or #73. or 1989 Pilot cars #001 through #023

[vettebrett]

Thanks for trying, the car had the new 6 speed in it so maybe one of the 89 Pilot cars? The only bad thing about try to track the VIN down is not knowing all the letters in the VIN because they change from one to the next one and they do not stay the same.

Tyler, do you have the complete VIN's from 100001-100023 for the 1989 L98 Pilot cars?

[1989ZR1#74]

Thanks for trying, the car had the new 6 speed in it so maybe one of the 89 Pilot cars? The only bad thing about try to track the VIN down is not knowing all the letters in the VIN because they change from one to the next one and they do not stay the same.

Tyler, do you have the complete VIN's from 100001-100023 for the 1989 L98 Pilot cars?

Brett, that's easy to calculate. I will crunch those for you tomorrow. Eric

[1989ZR1#74]

Assuming the first 5 1989 Pilots were coupes here are their VINS:

1G1YY2184k5100001
1G1YY2186k5100002
1G1YY2188k5100003
1G1YY218Xk5100004
1G1YY2181k5100005

[vettebrett]

Brett, that's easy to calculate. I will crunch those for you tomorrow. Eric


Eric, I think we are going to have to have a :cheers: together when you get to BG with all the help you are giving me.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Eric, I ended up with these docs. Don't ask how but here they are.
Maybe you can make something out of them?
Is this an Active Handling car?
http://i45.tinypic.com/29frn87.jpg

Are these ZR1 Pilots? At least maybe the 6 speeds?
http://i47.tinypic.com/nlaq35.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Good stuff Brett, I will take a look at the docs and see what I can find.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I summized that IF #55 was an Active Suspension car, maybe #57 was as well. Especially since the notation of "Selective Ride" on the build sheet????

[1989ZR1#74]

I summized that IF #55 was an Active Suspension car, maybe #57 was as well. Especially since the notation of "Selective Ride" on the build sheet????

Well no. This appears to be an FX3 selective ride car. The shock information is all hand written and appears to be added to #57 even though FX3 is not listed in the RPO codes. Unlike Tyler's this one had FX3 installed. ALthough not specifically mentioned the L98 is crossed out so this must have been an LT5 install ZR-1 prototype.

[Tyler Townsley]

Assuming the first 5 1989 Pilots were coupes here are their VINS:

1G1YY2184k5100001
1G1YY2186k5100002
1G1YY2188k5100003
1G1YY218Xk5100004
1G1YY2181k5100005

The plots all have 8000XX again see vin numbers on this document. If it has a 1 as the first # in the s/n is is a narrowbody car.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/87_89production.jpg

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric, I think we are going to have to have a :cheers: together when you get to BG with all the help you are giving me.

Even without any help I will bet you that will happen..

[1989ZR1#74]

The plots all have 8000XX again see vin numbers on this document. If it has a 1 as the first # in the s/n is is a narrowbody car.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/87_89production.jpg

Tyler

Tyler, he's looking for the VIN on the L98 Ft Stockton car. We are looking for L98 pilots not ZR-1s so the 510000X is correct.

[Tyler Townsley]

Tyler, he's looking for the VIN on the L98 Ft Stockton car. We are looking for L98 pilots not ZR-1s so the 510000X is correct.

If the guy who has the car would speak up we would all know it.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

If the guy who has the car would speak up we would all know it.

Tyler

I know, it a shame to keep those hidden.

[1989ZR1#74]

Found this in a 1990 Vette magazine. They incorrectly call it a 1991 pilot. The car has a P number of P8Y083A. The article says it had "NASA ducts" in the hood for cooling. I think it's an early active. Either way we have another 88 sighting....

http://www.syreal.com/88Activeprotosm.jpg
Photo Credit: Jim Dunne

[1989ZR1#74]

Tyler do you have the build sheet for EX5010? What color was it?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Looks like Dark Red Metallic. I did notice that the door edge dog leg panel don't seem to fit very well. The doors were modified by hand. At least Tyler's doors were. That may account for the edge not lining up very well on this car, maybe?

[1989ZR1#74]

Looks like Dark Red Metallic. I did notice that the door edge dog leg panel don't seem to fit very well. The doors were modified by hand. AT least Tyler's was. That may account for the edge not lining up very well on this car, maybe?

Seats look like Gray? what a weird color combo.

[1989ZR1#74]

Anyone recognize this GM car? I imagine it was an 88 with the "aero" package:

http://www.syreal.com/88aerosm.jpg
Photo Credit: Vette 01/1989

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Never seen that photo before. GM offered the kit and called it a GTO body kit.

[bdw18_123]

Found this in a 1990 Vette magazine. They incorrectly call it a 1991 pilot. The car has a P number of P8Y083A. The article says it had "NASA ducts" in the hood for cooling. I think it's an early active. Either way we have another 88 sighting....

http://www.syreal.com/88Activeprotosm.jpg
Photo Credit: Jim Dunne

So that thing where the passenger headlight is supposed to be is a duct? It looks like an opened headlight installed backwards. :mrgreen: :sign10:

[1989ZR1#74]

So that thing where the passenger headlight is supposed to be is a duct? It looks like an opened headlight installed backwards. :mrgreen: :sign10:


Hard to see in the scan, but there are two ducts between the head lights. right in front of the "power bulges" I am sure there was a reason for the headlight being half open too.

[vettebrett]

Here are pics of the race car that they used to base the GTO kit off of.

Story of this car and Body Kit

This car included improved flow aluminum heads, new front and rear two piston brakes calipers which were tested on the Morrison cars at Daytona and Sebring. Several other items were included on this corvette which were test of features that were not part of the 1988 corvette program but were of particular value for other programs. These included the Corvette Aero Kit which was sold by GM service parts and was used to homologate the Corvette for GTO and Trans Am racing. The engine used a reverse flow cooling system using propylene glycol coolant. This corvette used a Doug Nash 5 speed transmission with gear ratios being looked at for the ZF 6 speed. A high mounted brake light using LED's was being considered for the upcoming ZR-1 and this was also included on this prototype.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/131988_Corvette_Challenge_Racer.jpg[/IMG]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/MyMorrisonPhotos3-1.jpg[/IMG]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/brettrichmond/MyMorrisonPhotos1-1.jpg[/IMG]

[1989ZR1#74]

Thats good info. Thanks Brett. Looks like the magazine photo has the louvered hood too. I think Snake Skinner II had the led third brake light too.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Who owns P8Y088? This picture is titled P8Y088 in the CAC Gallery. I thought this was P8Y094??

http://i49.tinypic.com/2cdiqaf.jpg

[vettebrett]

Is that Mike Yager's car or the guy that worked on the motors over in Europe, Jeal's car??

That looks like it would take alot to put back together.

Update, this is not Yager's car because his is for sale for some big MONEY:jawdrop:

[1989ZR1#74]

Mike Yeager's 1989 #80 was the crush car that still has the nose/bumper on. It is also seen with 1991 wheels. here is the link to his garage site. You will see the photo in the lower left of the pictures:

http://content.mamotorworks.com/mygarage/89lt5.htm

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I believe that Tyler told me that this pic is of Geoff Jeal's car. P8Y094, not P8Y088.

[1989ZR1#74]

I believe that Tyler told me that this pic is of Geoff Jeal's car. P8Y094, not P8Y088.

Somewhere earlier in this thread I was told that was P8Y096.. So its 94? I keep the second post on page 1 updated with any new information that is found..

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Somewhere earlier in this thread I was told that was P8Y096.. So its 94? I keep the second post on page 1 updated with any new information that is found..

Maybe Tyler will verify which car it is?

[vettebrett]

Ok, with all the talk about these cars, what is the value of a crushed prototype C4? Can you use the prices that Eric was able to get his for ZR-1's for as a guide or is the fact that there are only a few of them around make it hard to guess there true value?

[1989ZR1#74]

Ok, with all the talk about these cars, what is the value of a crushed prototype C4? Can you use the prices that Eric was able to get his for ZR-1's for as a guide or is the fact that there are only a few of them around make it hard to guess there true value?

In order to determine a comparable price there needs to be a larger sample of sales. Unfortunately there are so few sales you probably will never know.

There have been 6 1989 ZR-1s that have sold in the last 10 or so years:

#04 sold at the 2010 BJ Scottsdale Auction for $55K
#14 sold some years ago for around $60K
#74 $110K
#78 $198K
#81 Snake Skinner $176K
#?? Snake Skinner II $73.7K

Total Sales: $672.7K
Average: $112.1K


Really there is no way of determining exactly what they would fetch, but the crushed ZR-1 convertible has been for sale for many many years at $250K.

But the resale window, $75 to $120K would be my window, minus the estimated cost of repair.

[1989ZR1#74]

A high mounted brake light using LED's was being considered for the upcoming ZR-1 and this was also included on this prototype.


Is the 3rd light on SSII an LED light?

http://www.syreal.com/3rdbrake.jpg

[bdw18_123]

Wow, that's a pretty neat looking 3rd brake light! Never seen that before. Seems like it's lower profile than the stock one, but maybe that's an illusion because of the much longer length. I want one!

[1989ZR1#74]

Found a narrow bodied LT5 powered convertible in the 10/1988 issue of Vette Vues. The LT5 was at the June 12th 1988 Corvette Challenge Race at Riverside CA:

http://www.syreal.com/LT5vertsm.jpg
Photo Credit: Vette Vues

[Tyler Townsley]

Maybe Tyler will verify which car it is?
I think this is the build sheet for Geoffs car as it is the next Nasau Blue built after mine. I will see if I can get him to send me a copy of the one he has and I can post it.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/jeal88.jpg

Tyler

[Tyler Townsley]

Found a narrow bodied LT5 powered convertible in the 10/1988 issue of Vette Vues. The LT5 was at the June 12th 1988 Corvette Challenge Race at Riverside CA:

http://www.syreal.com/LT5vertsm.jpg
Photo Credit: Vette Vues

I would speculate that that car was an 88 prototype, based on the sequence number assigned in 87 as one of the 25 was a convertible. See attached build sheet.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88%20vert.jpg

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I think this is the build sheet for Geoffs car as it is the next Nasau Blue built after mine. I will see if I can get him to send me a copy of the one he has and I can post it.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/jeal88.jpg

Tyler

Yep. That's Geoff's build sheet. I have a copy of it, also. Where does the "P" number come from? Where was it derived and assigned? It's not on the build sheet.

[1989ZR1#74]

Yep. That's Geoff's build sheet. I have a copy of it, also. Where does the "P" number come from? Where was it derived and assigned? It's not on the build sheet.

Brett, its on there below the "6 SPEED" above the dealer CPC info.

[Tyler Townsley]

Yep. That's Geoff's build sheet. I have a copy of it, also. Where does the "P" number come from? Where was it derived and assigned? It's not on the build sheet.

You do!! All the prototype build sheets have the P number on them. That number was/is on the little blue sticker on the windscreen and on the key fob. The cars with blue stickers were engineering test cars.

P=Prototype It is the number used by engineering to keep track of the data developed for the car. If you had a contact at GM it was the number needed to track what they had about the car. Not sure if that stuff went to the Heritage Museum but there are copies in some places, sure wish I could get to them.

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

You do!! All the prototype build sheets have the P number on them. That number was/is on the little blue sticker on the windscreen and on the key fob. The cars with blue stickers were engineering test cars.

P=Prototype It is the number used by engineering to keep track of the data developed for the car. If you had a contact at GM it was the number needed to track what they had about the car. Not sure if that stuff went to the Heritage Museum but there are copies in some places, sure wish I could get to them.

Tyler


Duuhhhh, :iamwithst I do see the "P" number now. Right under my nose all the time. Sean Finnigen may be able to help from the Heritage Center for the "P" number info? I have his number and email.

[1989ZR1#74]

I would speculate that that car was an 88 prototype, based on the sequence number assigned in 87 as one of the 25 was a convertible. See attached build sheet.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88%20vert.jpg

Tyler

Tyler, Could be but the build sheet shows a 11T white top, and this one looks to have a black top. Hard to tell from the B&W photo but it looks like it might be red. I am trying to source other pictures from that 6/12/88 Corvette Challenge race to see if they show the car in color.

[Tyler Townsley]

Tyler, Could be but the build sheet shows a 11T white top, and this one looks to have a black top. Hard to tell from the B&W photo but it looks like it might be red. I am trying to source other pictures from that 6/12/88 Corvette Challenge race to see if they show the car in color.

You are right, it would have to be vin 100024-28 according to the 87-89 production listings.

Tyler

[Tyler Townsley]

Post them if you got them.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100034.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100035.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100036.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100037.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100038.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100040.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100041.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100042.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100043.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100044.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100045.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100046.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100047.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100048.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100049.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100050.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100051.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100052.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100053.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100054.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100055.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/885100056.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/895100024.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/895100025.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/895100027.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/895100028.bmp
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/misc/895100033.bmp

Tyler

[Blue Flame Restorations]

WOW!!! thanks for posting this, Tyler! Excellent information!!!!

[tomtom72]

:o may I ask a Q about translating the Date markings?

The first two digits before the / = the year?
The next digits after the / = the day counted from January 1st?

Is this Date actually when the car was started, or when the dealer's order was processed by whoever tells the dealer that they may order a ZR-1? I always wondered how that worked. Sorry for all the Q's.

Thanks guys!
:cheers:
Tom

[1989ZR1#74]

:o may I ask a Q about translating the Date markings?

The first two digits before the / = the year?
The next digits after the / = the day counted from January 1st?

Is this Date actually when the car was started, or when the dealer's order was processed by whoever tells the dealer that they may order a ZR-1? I always wondered how that worked. Sorry for all the Q's.

Thanks guys!
:cheers:
Tom

The date is the date the build sheet is generated. That date on build sheet for a normal production Corvette is close to the date the car begins going down the line in BG. The date on the prototypes/pilots appear to lag up to 2 months after the sheet is generated. The date is in "Ordinal" format. 88/078 for example is the 78th day of 1988 or March 19, 1988.:

http://www.fs.fed.us/raws/book/julian.shtml

The best way to detemine when you Corvette was produced is to order a Vehicle Invoice. This will show order date, assembly date, ship date and expected arrival date. Those can be ordered here:

http://www.gmmediaarchive.com/

Eric

[tomtom72]

Waaaay cool! Thanks Eric for throwing the light my way! :mrgreen:

:cheers:
Tom

[1989ZR1#74]

Well I have scratched my head trying to determine who all these people are who signed or are mentioned on the early build sheets. It then hit me I have a Bowling Green Assembly Assist Manual from 1984 I picked up many years ago. In it is a phone directory for the plant. So I looked them up. Here's what I found:

http://www.syreal.com/whoaretheysm.jpg

From my research, CLJ was in the "Reliability Department" This was not the reliability of the Corvette, but in the reliability of the supply chain. I would assume CLJ was responsible for making sure all of the necessary parts were at Bowling Green to put these ZR-1s together. Sadly CL Johns passed away on June 28th 2008.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Well I have scratched my head trying to determine who all these people are who signed or are mentioned on the early build sheets. It then hit me I have a Bowling Green Assembly Assist Manual from 1984 I picked up many years ago. In it is a phone directory for the plant. So I looked them up. Here's what I found:

http://www.syreal.com/whoaretheysm.jpg

From my research, CLJ was in the "Reliability Department" This was not the reliability of the Corvette, but in the reliability of the supply chain. I would assume CLJ was responsible for making sure all of the necessary parts were at Bowling Green to put these ZR-1s together. Sadly CL Johns passed away on June 28th 2008.

M. Boling is "Michele Bowling".

[1989ZR1#74]

M. Boling is "Michelle Bowling".
Interesting, I see Michelle Bowling is married to Mark Bowling... Michelle did not work there in 83/84 according to my phone book.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

This is how I knew who she was.

http://i46.tinypic.com/30vkrbr.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

This is how I knew who she was.


What's funny is The other Brett and I poured over that sheet today in an effort to figure the L98 record cars VIN. I must have looked at that for an hour. Completely missed it! Well Mark Boling did work in AP at BGA in 83/84. The cool part about that page is #19 was later converted to the Challenge "SPlash" car.

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I ended up with this sheet and an 88 Prototype Build sheet by accident while buying some Corvette Challenge Build Sheets at the NCM. Glad I got it. They were thrown in by accident! I didn't even realize it until I got back to IN.

[1989ZR1#74]

I ended up with this sheet and an 88 Prototype Build sheet by accident while buying some Corvette Challenge Build Sheets at the NCM. Glad I got it. They were thrown in by accident! I didn't even realize it until I got back to IN.

Thanks for sharing that one. It is too bad all of that type of stuff isn't out there.

[Tyler Townsley]

Took me awhile but here is the shots taken at the 89 St Pete races.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/St%20Pete%2089.JPG

These were taken by Bill Herron.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Identified one of the LT5 narrow body convertables today. Looks like the vert on page 98 of Heart of The Beast is P9Y054 89 VIN 1G1YY31J5K5100033:

http://www.syreal.com/89LT5N100033sm.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Identified the first spy shot car we discussed earlier in this thread. After studying the Build Sheets Tyler posted there was only one 13U Silver ZR-1 Prototype. So the car on page 78 of "Heart of The Beast" Proto must be EX5004:

http://www.syreal.com/EX5004spyshotsm.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Here is a picture from page 97 of "Heart of the Beast" It is my best guess that the black ZR-1 is EX5008. EX5008 is the only 89 or earlier ZR-1 with the Black/red color combination. The second Med Blue Metallic car is either 1989 #001, Tyler's EX5014, or EX5023.

http://www.syreal.com/88proto89pilottextsm.jpg

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I believe Tyler's car has a glass top. According to the build sheet for Geoff's car, I think it has a painted top. I'll have to check for sure.

Does the blue car in the picture look to have a painted or clear top?

[1989ZR1#74]

I believe Tyler's car has a glass top. According to the build sheet for Geoff's car, I think it has a painted top. I'll have to check for sure.

Does the blue car in the picture look to have a painted or clear top?


I would say it's painted. #001 was a 1 top painted as well. Does Geoff know when it went over to Lotus?

[Blue Flame Restorations]

I would say it's painted. #001 was a 1 top painted as well. Does Geoff know when it went over to Lotus?

I plan on going to Michigan Sunday. I'll ask him.

[vettebrett]

I plan on going to Michigan Sunday. I'll ask him.


Why are you making such a long drive???:dontknow::dontknow::hello:

[Tyler Townsley]

Here is a picture from page 97 of "Heart of the Beast" It is my best guess that the black ZR-1 is EX5008. EX5008 is the only 89 or earlier ZR-1 with the Black/red color combination. The second Med Blue Metallic car is either 1989 #001, Tyler's EX5014, or EX5023.

http://www.syreal.com/88proto89pilottextsm.jpg

Wrong wheels? Both mine and Geoff have the smooth wheeels.
This is 89 # 14 and the wheels were straightened but original.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/89_14_restored.jpg
Mine and 89 #74. All 89 and earlier have had this wheel pattern, the dish pattern were 90+.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88_mus_11.JPG

The black car does have an engineering sticker on it however the blue car does not have one.



Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Wrong wheels? Both mine and Geoff have the smooth wheeels.
This is 89 # 14 and the wheels were straightened but original.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/89_14_restored.jpg
Mine and 89 #74. All 89 and earlier have had this wheel pattern, the dish pattern were 90+.
http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/88_mus_11.JPG

Tyler

These are 88/89 wheels with their center caps removed see:

http://www.syreal.com/88proto89pilotwheels.jpg

The vents appear to be darker then the 89s I have.

[1989ZR1#74]

Versus this real early 1990 wheel:

http://www.syreal.com/1989in1089Vettewheel.jpg

[W i l l]

Tyler's car probably has too few miles to be the one on the "field trip" in HOTB.

Will

[1989ZR1#74]

Tyler's car probably has too few miles to be the one on the "field trip" in HOTB.

Will

Well perhaps it was EX5023.. AKA Geoff's

There were very few M Blue Metallics made from what I can gather and this appears to be a prototype given its dark wheel vents.

[Tyler Townsley]

Well perhaps it was EX5023.. AKA Geoff's

There were very few M Blue Metallics made from what I can gather and this appears to be a prototype given its dark wheel vents.

I would have to agree. That is a 88/89 wheel without the cover. There may be a sticker in the top driver whindshield rather than down low like the dark car. I am prett sure Geoffs car went straight over to Lotus. Just might be mine. HMMM

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

I would have to agree. That is a 88/89 wheel without the cover. There may be a sticker in the top driver whindshield rather than down low like the dark car. I am prett sure Geoffs car went straight over to Lotus. Just might be mine. HMMM

Tyler

The sticker is the #1. There are other black and white photo's of it as well in HOTB.

[Tyler Townsley]

The sticker is the #1. There are other black and white photo's of it as well in HOTB.

The black car has a 2 in the same place. Looking at the dates and the blue cars that were built I would have to agree it is my car. Also note that one of the narrow body cars on page 93 is the one in private hands.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

The black car has a 2 in the same place. Looking at the dates and the blue cars that were built I would have to agree it is my car. Also note that one of the narrow body cars on page 93 is the one in private hands.

Tyler

Exciting huh! It looks like the photo of the LT5 on page 97 may be the M Blue one as well. The headlights and the passenger side mirror cleary apear to be metallic and not black.

[Tyler Townsley]

Exciting huh! It looks like the photo of the LT5 on page 97 may be the M Blue one as well. The headlights and the passenger side mirror cleary apear to be metallic and not black.

Agree as it is a phase 2 motor, all the phase 3 motors had the corvette cast in the cam covers.

I had never though about looking at the photos in THOB to determine it any of the shots were of my car.

OK here is my NCM build sheet that is the clearest I have.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/ncm%20build%20sheet.jpg

Couple of notes:
1. Inst cluster (84) is 867, These cars had the 8K tach.
2. Frame (12) is 1, so it is not done on a stock frame. It does have an 88 L98 vin sequence as I do not think at the time (06-87) they had worked out the vin derivations and there was no intention of producing an 1988 'production' saleable unit.

It says! KING OF HILL PROTO.

The ZR-1 option had not been assigned as most were lobbying for a RPO KOH at the time.

Also note the axle ratio says 3.54 GHO



I am glad to see that Geoffs car will be coming back. That car has a lot of provonance as Geoff has pictures of his kids in that car in 1988. He used it as a daily driver for a period of time.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

Agree as it is a phase 2 motor, all the phase 3 motors had the corvette cast in the cam covers.

I had never though about looking at the photos in THOB to determine it any of the shots were of my car.

OK here is my NCM build sheet that is the clearest I have.

http://deliquescence.net/~tyler/prototype/ncm%20build%20sheet.jpg

Couple of notes:
1. Inst cluster (84) is 867, These cars had the 8K tach.
2. Frame (12) is 1, so it is not done on a stock frame. It does have an 88 L98 vin sequence as I do not think at the time (06-87) they had worked out the vin derivations and there was no intention of producing an 1988 'production' saleable unit.

It says! KING OF HILL PROTO.

The ZR-1 option had not been assigned as most were lobbying for a RPO KOH at the time.

Also note the axle ratio says 3.54 GHO



I am glad to see that Geoffs car will be coming back. That car has a lot of provonance as Geoff has pictures of his kids in that car in 1988. He used it as a daily driver for a period of time.

Tyler

Agreed... It is a ZR-1..

I think the gauge cluster on the Protos in box 84 of the build sheets are: 83.. 867 is the DIC. I am working on confirming this as I type.

Do you know the date code on EX5014s cluster? does it predate 5/87?

THe 89 Pilots LR LJ so they are different.

[1989ZR1#74]

Another picture of EX5004 from the December 1987 Popular Mechanics:

http://www.syreal.com/popularmechanics1287EX5004sm.jpg

[Tyler Townsley]

Agreed... It is a ZR-1..

I think the gauge cluster on the Protos in box 84 of the build sheets are: 83.. 867 is the DIC. I am working on confirming this as I type.

Do you know the date code on EX5014s cluster? does it predate 5/87?

THe 89 Pilots LR LJ so they are different.

Its been awhile but I think the date was 3 or 4 87. Geoffs should be the same date as mine as they were probably done as a batch of 25 as that was the number planned for the run.

I have a copy of the first PAD (Product Assembly Document) issued 10 Feb 87 for the ZR-1 specific body items. Its what was used on the line to assemble the car. It does not show the inst cluster as being different. Not sure what is going on with that.

Tyler

[Z51JEFF]

I noticed in the list of car theres a Orange Metallic in there.In the late 80s I saw an L98 Orange Metallic base coupe and I also saw a convertible.This shade of orange was very brite and no mistaking it for gold,copper or any other color.Now the odd part.I saw the coupe first parked in front of a grocery store early in the morning.A few days later I saw the convertible parked in the same spot.I have never seen this color on a Corvette again on any other car.Not in a magazine,in the NCM,nowhere.Not to hijack this thread but over the years Ive asked about this and I always get the same answer,it most likely was a shade of copper.Im not color blind,I know the difference.There was an orange in 87 I think but the cars I saw were late 80s.I live in Fremont Ca and there is a G.M. corporate office here so maybe the cars I saw years ago were prototype 89s rolling around town.Does anybody have any pictures of this Metallic Orange?Ive also seen a Pearl White L98 Coupe.

[1989ZR1#74]

Found out that 89 ZR-1 #78 is 9PR111

[gbrtng]

Found out that 89 ZR-1 #78 is 9PR111
Is that the yellow Geneva car in the museum?

[1989ZR1#74]

Is that the yellow Geneva car in the museum?

Yes it still is. If I am not mistaken that may have been car #1 at the museum.

http://www.syreal.com/geneva.jpg

[Blue Flame Restorations]

Eric's 004 and 074 89's sure looked great at the NCM. I have a soft spot for Tyler's Queenie for obvious reasons.;)

[BlackWidow#2]

Hi Eric, Thanks for bringing your cars. It was great meeting you and talking about the cars. And to Tyler, thanks again for bringing you car too.
George C.

[1989ZR1#74]

It was fun! well back to research. I found a picture of one of the Talledaga test cars. It's in the April 24, 1989 issue of Autoweek. It shows Corvette Challenge driver Bob Noakes with the car. It is either EX5009 or EX5024 since those are the only "Orange Metallic" Prototypes. Note the holes in the rear cover to hide the rectangular tail lights (see HOB page 93)

http://www.syreal.com/DarkOrangetalledaga88small.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Pictures from HOB page 93 presumably the same car with the rear end disguise.

http://www.syreal.com/darkorangetalledaga882sm.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/darkorangetalledaga883sm.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/darkorangetalledaga884sm.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

1989 Active Proto VIN numer #0025 was/is EX5387 P0Y052. Was a 31U Artic Pearl. Gray lther car.

[Hdvrod08]

Does anyone know what the value of a black 1990 prototype with active management suspension. Fair condition.

[Corvettes White]

One sold at the GM Barrett-Jackson's auction before they went BK. It was not a lot. I just do not remember. Problum is it would be a very hard car to keep on the road if someone broke. Not just parts but know-how. George

[Hdvrod08]

Not sure what to do with it. Hate to see someone butcher it

[conesare2seconds]

Tell us more about it, please?

[Hdvrod08]

It’s been tucked away for 20 years. Shows 12300 miles. Has a folder full of records from testing. Interior is dirty but very nice. Paint is fair at best. Fuel pumps are bad. Going to try and start it tomorrow.

[Corvettes White]

I case anyone wonders what is under the hood.

George

[Corvettes White]

Did the car start?

[-=Jeff=-]

man I would love that hood and front bumper..

[Corvettes White]

man I would love that hood and front bumper..

Jeff,. The scoops are off of another GM car of the era. I just do not recall what. Maybe some Pontiac. I think I have a few more shots if you are interested.

[-=Jeff=-]

I like the rise of the hood.. it is not stock.. The vents are probably from a Pontiac..

[Joelbbvette]

Well glad some more of these pieces of history are being found. EX5006 is now located and in Central Florida while I figure out my next step. Hope the Active car is running soon and cleans up a bit.

[conesare2seconds]

Lest message i got from the owner, he said the injectors were bad and he was replacing them. He’d already determined there was spark, pulse signal to the injectors and fuel pressure.