Ok I cant get these thoughts out of my head, 90 Convertible ZR-1

[phrogs]

This car was built at the factory and has a YZ vin number and a good title.

What do you think its worth right now as is? owner said he would take a resonable offer.

I know it has been sitting since at least 2000 in this guys place.


what do you offer for a one of car that is in need of a complete restoration?

I know I can restore this car but I guess its all about what it is worth after it is done minus what I paid for it minus the cost to restore it.

I can get the Convertible parts and the ZR-1 parts for it easy but it is a narrow boddied ZR-1.

thoughts??

not on the damage that is all fixable but more towards what its worth right now.

The pics are from another vette site corvette action center has these.


http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s103/zr1salvage/prototype%20ZR-1/frontshot.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s103/zr1salvage/prototype%20ZR-1/zrengwreck.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s103/zr1salvage/prototype%20ZR-1/intshot.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s103/zr1salvage/prototype%20ZR-1/intshot2.jpg

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s103/zr1salvage/prototype%20ZR-1/rearshot.jpg

[Jeffvette]

Wasn't he at one point asking 250k?

[phrogs]

Wasn't he at one point asking 250k?


I think he was and thats probably why he still has it.

maybe restored it could bring that much but hell I don't know the DR-1 car brought in some money but it was a known car. I could fix this one then stick it in the museum for a few years and get the word out then try to sell it haha

[1989ZR1#74]

must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes,
must stop buying ZR-1 prototypes, must stop buyng ZR-1 prototypes

Damn it didnt work. How much? $10K?

[phrogs]

How much? $10K?



Somehow I doubt 10K would buy it.

[bdw18_123]

Somehow I doubt 10K would buy it.

Yeah, probably not, LOL! If that's all it took to buy it, it probably would have been scrapped long ago. I doubt you could get him to go much lower than $200K, obviously he knows what he has. If he's really hurting for money, maybe you could get it for $160K-$170K.

Or you could try doing some of this: :pray, then walk in there with a suitcase filled with $100K in cash and say "Here's my offer, take it or leave it". :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[1989ZR1#74]

Well I didn't think $10K would do it, but it would take a ton of greenbacks to get it to the DR-1 level. I would love to see the SPI on that one.

Is this 90 worth more then the ZR-2 Big Doggie sold last year at BJ? That's a better comparison.

[phrogs]

Well I didn't think $10K would do it, but it would take a ton of greenbacks to get it to the DR-1 level. I would love to see the SPI on that one.

Is this 90 worth more then the ZR-2 Big Doggie sold last year at BJ? That's a better comparison.


honestly the hardest part of fixing that car would be the windshield frame and thats really not that hard to do but it would have to be done.

All the convertible parts can be taken from a donar car but I know I don't have enough to get that car but I would love to get it.

[-=Jeff=-]

Johnny, I still say you need to just buy a 90 L98 Vert and convert it and be done.. honestly the coolness of a Vert with an LT5 would be the best part..

[phrogs]

Johnny, I still say you need to just buy a 90 L98 Vert and convert it and be done.. honestly the coolness of a Vert with an LT5 would be the best part..


Well Its a bitch finding a 6 speed Vert that would be good for this

[DaveK]

Well Its a bitch finding a 6 speed Vert that would be good for this

How about getting a coupe and slicing the back of the roof off? Isn't that how ASC did it? :dontknow:

[phrogs]

How about getting a coupe and slicing the back of the roof off? Isn't that how ASC did it? :dontknow:


sort of I don't really know what they did without looking at the car.

what I want to do is get a convertible rear bucket and glue it in then splice the ZR-1 rear quarters with the vert rear quarters and then have a wide body vert.

I found this one but he still wants to much for the car but it has all the right options.

whats a good L98 worth?

the rear quarter no problem but it apears that the rear cargo area glass was damaged as well not a problem but id like one thats not that bad Id like good rear glass. oh I don't know what to do....

http://www.carsforsale.com/used_cars_for_sale/1990_Chevrolet_Corvette_94369012

http://images.carsforsale.com/257050/D56E0DAC-F30F-4C18-BA1D-A8814A512419_8.jpg

[DaveK]

That looks expensive for a damaged L98 to me.

[phrogs]

That looks expensive for a damaged L98 to me.



Thats what Im saying, but it has a lot of parts that I could sell off.

But its a toss up heres the options

1) get a vert and convert the rear to a wide body (this car is perfect for that)

2) take a ZR-1 remove the *** end and install a Vert rear end but converted fenders to a wide body.

3) take a Vert and just install the LT5 and associated wiring and call it a day.

[bdw18_123]

Thats what Im saying, but it has a lot of parts that I could sell off.

But its a toss up heres the options

1) get a vert and convert the rear to a wide body (this car is perfect for that)

2) take a ZR-1 remove the *** end and install a Vert rear end but converted fenders to a wide body.

3) take a Vert and just install the LT5 and associated wiring and call it a day.

1) would probably be the hardest/most expensive because you would have to do the rear end body work conversion & transplant the LT5 and associated equipment. And in the end, the car still wouldn't even be a 'real' regular ZR-1.

2) If I was going to do this, I would probably pick this option because only the body work would be needed, plus the car would be a real ZR-1. With the way Z prices are these days, you could probably pick up a high miles, decent driver ZR-1 for pretty cheap. You would then just need to locate the parts or a cheap doner car to do the vert conversion.

3) This might be the easiest/cheapest option if your only going to transplant the LT5 and don't mind not having a wide-body or real ZR-1. Especially if you already have a spare LT5 & ZF6 laying around. You could probably pick up a roller vert with no engine or a vert with a blown up engine for really cheap, especially since it's a buyer's market out there.

[-=Jeff=-]

#3 first then you could always do #1 if you have the parts

[Tyler Townsley]

Or maybe you could find the 1988 ZR-1 convertible built in summer of 87. I have the vin around somewhere.

The Wiseman car is a 90 ASC conversion and while it is unique its value has declined drasticly. As an example of just how bad an investment these cars are Joe Robuck bought 89 pilot car # 14 in smashed condition in 95 for about 25K, he then paid 80k to get the body work done and probably 25-30k for the drive train. What was sad it does not have its original engine, thats at SGC. Last I heard it is in a collection in IN and was bought for less than 50k. The blue 89 from the same lot was bough by Mike Y of mid america for 13k Not sure how much he paid to get it reasssembled but the last I heard the motor was still not running.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

There goes my kids college fund.

[phrogs]

If that 90 Vert is a conversion whats the vin number? do you have it?

And if its a conversion why is it a narrow body? that makes no sense

Becasue hell to put a Engine into a Vert would be easy I have the motor and everything to do the conversion, including the dash so it would be a ZR-1 dash.

But If I do it I really want to do a ZR-1 and make it a wide body, wonder if
it would bring any cash??? :blahblah:

But Im not going to pay someone to do that work to rebody a C-4 is work and I can see why it cost him that much.

but it would be neat to Restore that one.

But I want to build one as well.

I have the parts just need a good canidate.

The polo green 90 that was for sale at $5K anyone have his contact info? I never did get pictures of it!!



Or maybe you could find the 1988 ZR-1 convertible built in summer of 87. I have the vin around somewhere.

The Wiseman car is a 90 ASC conversion and while it is unique its value has declined drasticly. As an example of just how bad an investment these cars are Joe Robuck bought 89 pilot car # 14 in smashed condition in 95 for about 25K, he then paid 80k to get the body work done and probably 25-30k for the drive train. What was sad it does not have its original engine, thats at SGC. Last I heard it is in a collection in IN and was bought for less than 50k. The blue 89 from the same lot was bough by Mike Y of mid america for 13k Not sure how much he paid to get it reasssembled but the last I heard the motor was still not running.

Tyler

[Tyler Townsley]

If that 90 Vert is a conversion whats the vin number? do you have it?

And if its a conversion why is it a narrow body? that makes no sense

Becasue hell to put a Engine into a Vert would be easy I have the motor and everything to do the conversion, including the dash so it would be a ZR-1 dash.

But If I do it I really want to do a ZR-1 and make it a wide body, wonder if
it would bring any cash??? :blahblah:

But Im not going to pay someone to do that work to rebody a C-4 is work and I can see why it cost him that much.

but it would be neat to Restore that one.

But I want to build one as well.

I have the parts just need a good canidate.

The polo green 90 that was for sale at $5K anyone have his contact info? I never did get pictures of it!!

I have not thought about the vert in years. It probably is a 89, it is partially owned by Paul Zazerine. Gib Huffsteader told me the best way to do a vert was to use a 93+ as the motor will drop right in. The earlier had some fitment isues, cant remember what they were but brake booster was one.


Tyler

[Z51JEFF]

The only right way to do this is start with a ZR-1.The guy that works at Corvette Recylers in Utah rebuilt a 90 that as some point had nothing on the car from the doors back.To do it right at some point the car would be in that state,stripped from the doors back.But whoever built one it would be THE ZR-1 convertible that everyone was talking about.If I was to do this Id start with a 91 thats beat,not wrecked or junk,find a 91 convertible donor,preferably with a hard top and have at it.Why 91s?I like the interior and both cars of the same year wouldn't have to deal with people calling the car a mismatch of parts.

[tccrab]

Johnny:

Here you go!
Just what you've been looking for.
'91 ZR1 'Vert.

http://stockton.craigslist.org/cto/1565453766.html

Gotta love Craigslist.


TomC
"Crabs

[phrogs]

The only right way to do this is start with a ZR-1.The guy that works at Corvette Recylers in Utah rebuilt a 90 that as some point had nothing on the car from the doors back.To do it right at some point the car would be in that state,stripped from the doors back.But whoever built one it would be THE ZR-1 convertible that everyone was talking about.If I was to do this Id start with a 91 thats beat,not wrecked or junk,find a 91 convertible donor,preferably with a hard top and have at it.Why 91s?I like the interior and both cars of the same year wouldn't have to deal with people calling the car a mismatch of parts.


only thing is there are more 90s out there its a better possibility to get one. But Like you described that guy rebuilding his thats exactly how torn apart Im going to have to go with it to do it right.

[phrogs]

haha

Johnny:

Here you go!
Just what you've been looking for.
'91 ZR1 'Vert.

http://stockton.craigslist.org/cto/1565453766.html

Gotta love Craigslist.


TomC
"Crabs

[Z51JEFF]

only thing is there are more 90s out there its a better possibility to get one. But Like you described that guy rebuilding his thats exactly how torn apart Im going to have to go with it to do it right.

This guys name is Colton.He posted a picture of his car stripped before it was repaired but I cant find it.If I had the cash I would build this car.Ive got a few hotrod shop that do quality work within a few hours of me,Id get the shop to do the major work.I figure for less than $25,000 you could have the 2 cars needed for the project.

[LGAFF]

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/1572239431.html

[Z51JEFF]

Johnny:

Here you go!
Just what you've been looking for.
'91 ZR1 'Vert.

http://stockton.craigslist.org/cto/1565453766.html

Gotta love Craigslist.


TomC
"Crabs

I sent this guy an email asking him what number car it was,wants me to call him.

[BlackWidow#2]

A few years back at a Bowling Green event I believe, Gordon K introduced me to a guy from somewhere in Europe. This guy had converted 2 Z's to convertibles as I recall. The cars were for sale at that time (probably 4-5 years ago?). Maybe someone else recalls this. I remember discussing some issue with putting a convertible type 'X' brace under the car, and that this guy was going to be making and selling an item that would stiffen our cars. I never heard anymore about the cars for sale or the custom brace.
George









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[phrogs]

A few years back at a Bowling Green event I believe, Gordon K introduced me to a guy from somewhere in Europe. This guy had converted 2 Z's to convertibles as I recall. The cars were for sale at that time (probably 4-5 years ago?). Maybe someone else recalls this. I remember discussing some issue with putting a convertible type 'X' brace under the car, and that this guy was going to be making and selling an item that would stiffen our cars. I never heard anymore about the cars for sale or the custom brace.
George



my 89 convertible had a X-brace on it when I bought it and I removed it and drove it for 2 years without issues in okinawa japan I only reinstalled it after I got back to the states.. But it would be easy to make a x brace the one that GM built was stamped steel id have to imagine we can make something lighter and stronger today??

[Toyvet1]

Dumb question, with a wide body conversion what do you do with the door for the top. If I remember it rolls over the top of the fenders. Narrow the door edges to fit flat like a C3 or widen the door to match fender ....

[Z51JEFF]

Dumb question, with a wide body conversion what do you do with the door for the top. If I remember it rolls over the top of the fenders. Narrow the door edges to fit flat like a C3 or widen the door to match fender ....

This would take some work as well as the recess area in the top of the quarters and the surround.

[BlackWidow#2]

my 89 convertible had a X-brace on it when I bought it and I removed it and drove it for 2 years without issues in okinawa japan I only reinstalled it after I got back to the states.. But it would be easy to make a x brace the one that GM built was stamped steel id have to imagine we can make something lighter and stronger today??
Johnny, I know the x brace won't be a problem or don't know even if you'd need it. I was hoping this would jog someone elses memory about these 2 cars being converted in europe (possibly Sweden?). I met the guy who did them and he was talking about selling them when I met him in Bowling Green. It might have been at a Labor Day event. The cars are out there somewhere. During the conversation the x brace came up and he was taking about making a new design. I never heard of the cars, the brace or the guy again. I was hoping maybe someone else talked to him too and knew something about the cars. Gordon knows the guy but he's not on here so that doesn't help I know. George

[phrogs]

Johnny, I know the x brace won't be a problem or don't know even if you'd need it. I was hoping this would jog someone elses memory about these 2 cars being converted in europe (possibly Sweden?). I met the guy who did them and he was talking about selling them when I met him in Bowling Green. It might have been at a Labor Day event. The cars are out there somewhere. During the conversation the x brace came up and he was taking about making a new design. I never heard of the cars, the brace or the guy again. I was hoping maybe someone else talked to him too and knew something about the cars. Gordon knows the guy but he's not on here so that doesn't help I know. George


Theres a black one in Germany the owner is on this site I have some pics of his car somewhere....

Its not suprising that you never heard of it or the guy again who knows probably lost interest and moved on.

I am in the process of looking at all the vendors to see if anyone even sells the rear quarters for a Convertible I havent found anyone yet.

[zedrone]

This car was a narrow body "regular" convertible with a Factory installed LT5 and other associated ZR-1 drivetrain stuff in it. It would be very easy to restore it back to the way it left BG. Here's a bit of trivia you won't find in the literature, the front crossmember in it currently is from one of the '89 prototypes that couldn't be salvaged. The owner(s) when I sold it were Paul Zazarine and Jim Crist. The original VIN tag should be with the car, and two build sheets. Its a pretty cool car, someone should buy it and fix it.

Ed

[-=Jeff=-]

Here you go Johnny>>>>

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/665/21991-LT5-Droptop.jpg

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/553/21991-LT5-Droptop-info.jpg


I know.. I am not helping :mrgreen:

[zedrone]

This would take some work as well as the recess area in the top of the quarters and the surround.

There is some shaping to be done in that area, but its a minor part of the conversion equation. I'll see if I can dig the pics out and scan them. The laptop I had them on originally died a long time ago.

Ed

[phrogs]

Dumb question, with a wide body conversion what do you do with the door for the top. If I remember it rolls over the top of the fenders. Narrow the door edges to fit flat like a C3 or widen the door to match fender ....


you splice a ZR-1 fender with a Convertible fender

[zedrone]

just start off by mounting ZR-1 doors to the chassis, then put the door jamb extensions and lower panel on (the one that goes in front of the wheels with the body molding in it. The ZR-1 quarters will have a natural lie to them, made easier to line up by using the ZR-1 bumper as a guide. For strength, use some cut pieces of your leftover parts for a bonding strip. The decklid will have to be built up and a filler piece will have to be made to cover the gap in the quarters.

The rest is just like normal bodywork, lots of sanding.

Ed

[phrogs]

just start off by mounting ZR-1 doors to the chassis, then put the door jamb extensions and lower panel on (the one that goes in front of the wheels with the body molding in it. The ZR-1 quarters will have a natural lie to them, made easier to line up by using the ZR-1 bumper as a guide. For strength, use some cut pieces of your leftover parts for a bonding strip. The decklid will have to be built up and a filler piece will have to be made to cover the gap in the quarters.

The rest is just like normal bodywork, lots of sanding.

Ed


What Id like to do is use a ZR-1 as the starter instead of the vert I can get a vert rear clip for 1500 with a questionable top but the vert parts would be there for the taking.

[phrogs]

Here you go Johnny>>>>

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/665/21991-LT5-Droptop.jpg

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/corvette-photos/data/553/21991-LT5-Droptop-info.jpg


I know.. I am not helping :mrgreen:


was that just a vert with a LT5 in it? doesnt apear to have the wide body and the vin is a YY so it wasnt a ZR-1 modified. Its still cool.

[zedrone]

What Id like to do is use a ZR-1 as the starter instead of the vert I can get a vert rear clip for 1500 with a questionable top but the vert parts would be there for the taking.

Its been a long time since I've touched one of these, so my memory might miss some details, but there are some snags that folks don't normally think of until you get it apart and start cussing.

Depending on how much of the clip you have, it would probably be easier to drill out the spot welds on the frame and "clip" the car with the donor parts encompassing from the floorboards/ seat mounting points to the rear of the car. It sounds drastic, but consider that otherwise you are hacking off the rollbar, drilling out the top of the side frame members so you can add the frame caps for the conv. top mounts (hardtop mounts/ seatbelts) etc. Either way, you also have to remove the entire rear suspension/ gas tank, etc, anyways if you want to try gluing in body tubs, etc. If you use the conv rear frame section, you'd have the Xmember mounts also (not that its hard to add those). There is also something different about the way the ABS unit mounts in the conv, different tray or bolt pattern or something, I can't remember.

Either way, its not rocket science, but I recall difficulties trying to separate used body tubs from the metal framework without doing damage to them that didn't require insane amounts of cussing and repair work. They never seem to glue back on just right either.

Just my dusty .03

Ed

[phrogs]

oh not to worry I have torn them apart before I know the snags. Getting it to be a vert the way I want it to is the hard part and then selling it afterwards.