1989 ZR-1 for sale at BJ

[LGAFF]

Lot # 85 to be sold on Tuesday...mismatched wheels, etc....condition must be pretty rough.

$500 just to bid on a car there, WTF.

[ZZZZZR1]

Wow....


That car will go cheap.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...01%2f19%2f2010 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.aspx?aid=304&sd=01%2f19%2f2010&ed=01%2f19%2f2010)


For the right person, a bargain @ any price though!!!!

:cheers:


David

[ZRXMAX]

Hard to see much from that picture with the exception of the wheels and interior color. The paint color looks to be a dark greeish blue... hard to tell. The last purple 89 went for a 100K at BJ and it had the wrong wheels on it. What price do you think is realistic for this 89 ZR-1 ?

[Jeffvette]

Hard to see much from that picture with the exception of the wheels and interior color. The paint color looks to be a dark greeish blue... hard to tell. The last purple 89 went for a 100K at BJ and it had the wrong wheels on it. What price do you think is realistic for this 89 ZR-1 ?


88 & 89 had a color called Dark Blue Metallic, which was an awesome color. I believe they had three of them on the Carcassone Press release trip along with the three Bright Red and three Dark Red cars.

[ZZZZZR1]

Hard to see much from that picture with the exception of the wheels and interior color. The paint color looks to be a dark greeish blue... hard to tell. The last purple 89 went for a 100K at BJ and it had the wrong wheels on it. What price do you think is realistic for this 89 ZR-1 ?

Eric bought that purple one and it was $60k. But it was in incredible condition!

[W i l l]

Looks a lot like the car Tyler found at Broward County College in Florida back in July, 2006. If so, the college had repainted the car, but dark blue metallic was probably always the correct color as Jeff points out.

88 & 89 had a color called Dark Blue Metallic, which was an awesome color. I believe they had three of them on the Carcassone Press release trip along with the three Bright Red and three Dark Red cars.

[ZRXMAX]

Eric bought that purple one and it was $60k. But it was in incredible condition!

The 89 ZR-1 I was reffering to was from the GM collection and sold at BJ along with the Snake Skinner and the active suspension ZR-1 among others. That happened a while back as I am sure you already know.

[rhipsher]

I don't care what special color it is. Thats a rough looking car. I don't need another fixer upper.

[1989ZR1#74]

The purple 89 ZR-1 was indeed bought by me last year. Those of you who went to the Gathering may have seen it. I wish it was $60K, but it was the higher number listed (without commision and taxes) DONT TELL MY WIFE!

I Was at the auction grounds today and it is #4 that Tyler found. It has C6 front wheels and is almost exactly like the pictures that Tyler took. It has a scrap/salvage title. My purple one was sold on an MSO. The car looks black to me although it was very overcast. It has dark saddle cloth non sport seats. The car should cross the block tomorrow around 6PM AZ time (8ET). I think speed will cover it so tune in. The car is missing a lot of interior trim and the internal BJ notes indicate that it is a Non starter. There was lots of foot traffic around it when I was there so I am guessing it wont go cheap. Stay tuned.... Eric

[LGAFF]

I hope it goes for big cash, because if it goes for $10K I would be kicking myself in the AZZ.

[1989ZR1#74]

#4 appears to be dark metallic blue. It has been resprayed with a heavy hand. The rear "Corvette" logo is painted over thickly. The car appears to have been black before that. The door jams are black and the fuel door is black underneath, but that also appears to be a respray as there appears to be red under that. So perhaps #4 was a red/saddle cloth car originally. I hope later today I can get a peak at the SPI. Eric

[ZZZZZR1]

#4 appears to be dark metallic blue. It has been resprayed with a heavy hand. The rear "Corvette" logo is painted over thickly. The car appears to have been black before that. The door jams are black and the fuel door is black underneath, but that also appears to be a respray as there appears to be red under that. So perhaps #4 was a red/saddle cloth car originally. I hope later today I can get a peak at the SPI. Eric


Eric,

Great update! Could you take some pictures?

:cool:

David

[1989ZR1#74]

http://www.syreal.com/bjn41.jpg
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http://www.syreal.com/bjn44.jpg

[Z51JEFF]

Ive got a OEM N.O.S steering wheel for this car if somebody happens to buy it.

[phrogs]

Does it even have an engine?

[LGAFF]

I am guessing $27,900.....cars are not going for much. A 25K mile GN just went for $18.:dontknow:

[Jeffvette]

I am guessing $27,900.....cars are not going for much. A 25K mile GN just went for $18.:dontknow:


It's early on Tuesday, these are not primo cars. The other thing, the bidders have not had a chance to get drunk.

[Polo-1]

:occasion1:occasion1 I bid $100k :occasion1:occasion1

[LGAFF]

We are talking about the car, not the cost of your stroker. You been drinkin?

We should have put some registry cash together.

[Jeffvette]

I really hate watching Barret. Best to tivo it and fast forward. Too many commercials and lots of crap for sale.

[LGAFF]

HAGERTY just did an as making fun of companies that are outsourcing their claims reporting to India. interesting.

[Jeffvette]

So was it pulled from the auction, or did we get screwed?

[LGAFF]

We got screwed, I heard them on the PA stating next up...89 ZR-1...

[Jeffvette]

There is hope for the two red/red 90 ZR-1's later in the week.

[ZZZZZR1]

http://www.syreal.com/bjn41.jpg
http://www.syreal.com/bjn42.jpg
http://www.syreal.com/bjn43.jpg
http://www.syreal.com/bjn44.jpg

Wow car was bought for $50k!!!!

Wonder who bought it? Couldn't be the 2nd 89 prototype for somebody local to area could it?

=D>

Let the restoration begin!!!!!

:cheers:

David

[LGAFF]

Where is the sale price listed?

[ZZZZZR1]

Where is the sale price listed?

Eric texted me, but it say's $55 (must be buyers fee's added)

Auction: SCOTTSDALE 2010 Sale Price: *$55,000.00 Year: 1989 Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE

[Jeffvette]

Yes, BJ includes the buyers premium in the final price.

[phrogs]

We got screwed, I heard them on the PA stating next up...89 ZR-1...


yeah I heard it too and them back to comercial! WTF it made more than anything else all night

[LGAFF]

Ok, for those that say the ZR-1 will not be a collector car....FU. Come on who pays $50K for a beat up prototype that has 3 layers of paint and doesn't even have the matching wheels, unless its a landmark car.

I don't see any L98 prototypes sought after or bringing this kind of cash.....Snakeskinner, Active suspension all $100K+ cars, the Z is something special.

Maybe some day, when I get to be Hans age, I can retire to CA on the money I make selling my Zs.

:cheers:

[LGAFF]

Anyone care to guess what the 24hr endurance car would bring at BJ?

[-=Jeff=-]

Maybe some day, when I get to be Hans age, I can retire to CA on the money I make selling my Zs.

:cheers:

:sign10: :sign10:

[PhillipsLT5]

50 large + 10% fee + 500 bidder fee + possible in state tax + shipping to ???
Bag O Sh-t
Towed!!! onto stage
It will take Tyler & 200 K more
GM (Governmemt Motors) Salvage title, will not be able to insure or title

[Z51JEFF]

That makes 89 ZR-1 #2 for one person:thumbsup:

[1989ZR1#74]

Well, For those of you that may have read between the lines. I was the high bidder on #4. THe car is rough, but not that bad. Lots of little easy stuff. The correct front wheels with flat gatorbacks came with it. Plus I get to keep those 2 fancy C6 wheels! The car will definately need paint (or less paint!). It appears to be originally red. It does not have sport seats and it does not have power seats. It has the non bose radio. and apparently it will start, but the battery was dead. It looked as though GM did a service on the car recently. I will document it as I go. We are very excited. Now on to find out about this one. Eric

[Jeffvette]

Very cool Eric, glad to hear the car went to "one of us" and not to some collector who will stash it away and never be seen again. Would love to see pics of it's current condition before restoration starts.

[phrogs]

Well, For those of you that may have read between the lines. I was the high bidder on #4. THe car is rough, but not that bad. Lots of little easy stuff. The correct front wheels with flat gatorbacks came with it. Plus I get to keep those 2 fancy C6 wheels! The car will definately need paint (or less paint!). It appears to be originally red. It does not have sport seats and it does not have power seats. It has the non bose radio. and apparently it will start, but the battery was dead. It looked as though GM did a service on the car recently. I will document it as I go. We are very excited. Now on to find out about this one. Eric



Hey I have restored a ZR-1 before Id love to restore this one for you!

[phrogs]

50 large + 10% fee + 500 bidder fee + possible in state tax + shipping to ???
Bag O Sh-t
Towed!!! onto stage
It will take Tyler & 200 K more
GM (Governmemt Motors) Salvage title, will not be able to insure or title


You don't know much about salvage titles do you.

Come on $200K where does that number come from.

[bdw18_123]

If the original paint on that '89 Z was indeed red, I wonder if maybe it is one of those red press cars that they used to announce the ZR-1 in '89? The ones you always see in the pictures of Z's from '89?

[1989ZR1#74]

If the original paint on that '89 Z was indeed red, I wonder if maybe it is one of those red press cars that they used to announce the ZR-1 in '89? The ones you always see in the pictures of Z's from '89? Per Dave McLellan's book the first 20 89 ZR-1s were built in early Feb. All but #16 were driven up to Milford as a shakedown prior to the Geneva unvailing. 15 of the 20 were flown to Frankfurt Germany, 3 at a time on 747s. 5 of the first 20 remained behind for durability, emissions and fuel economy certifications. Way to early to know whether #4 stayed or went, but if I had to guess I would say stayed in Michigan. Why, No Power sport seats, No Bose, Cloth. Not exactly the options you want to show off with the press.

[LGAFF]

50 large + 10% fee + 500 bidder fee + possible in state tax + shipping to ???
Bag O Sh-t
Towed!!! onto stage
It will take Tyler & 200 K more
GM (Governmemt Motors) Salvage title, will not be able to insure or title

Eric,

Looks like you made a big mistake, I am willing to help you recoup some of your money by taking it off your hands for $10K, best to get this money pit off your hands ASAP before it gets worse:mrgreen:

Seriously, car can be insured. Road worthy or not it is insurable under collector car insurance, there is obvious evidence of value via the auction. As to the title, you simply need to title the car as a kit car.

Great buy, but the the following are required:

1)Please describe the auction, since Speed screwed us, how many bidders, etc.

2)pics

3)pics

4)more pics.....

:thumbsup:

[1989ZR1#74]

Ha that's a good one. Well, no problem on the insurance. It was insured less then 1/2 hour after bidding ended. Last year I set up an insurance policy through one of the BJ approved companies. They can Insure it on site. So that part is done. Not too worried about title yet. Anyway it's not like I'm gonna use it for my daily driver anywas (that's what #74 is for!)

There was a lot of interest in the car. It didn't/won't start (big time and price difference between those two words) by the time they towed it up to the auction tent there was a crowd of 5 or 6 around it all the way. I knew enough about it so I was not part of the crowd. They delayed getting it up on the block due to the long tow rope and the sharp 90 degree angles needed to get in and out. It finally made it up. The bids started at $5K. when it got to $10K I took it to $15K and then rapid fire bid from there. There were many who felt it would be a "bargain" they dropped away quickly. It got to $1K incr. when it got to $47K I bid $50K to show the other guy I wasn't going away easy. Well they tried to get $51K for an eternity and then it was all over.

I don't blame speed for going to commercial. As the car sits it is not very well presented. I am sure they did not anticipate that it would end up tied for 5th highest on the day. Only a nut like me would pay $50K for a POS like that.

I will get it back to my shop today and the fun will begin. Already ordered window sticker and build sheet for it. I will order the dealer invoice (they even produce something if the car stayes at GM) today. It will be fun, and hopefully It I can get it together by the 20th Gathering.

I have already developed a ton of GM contacts researching #74 so hopefully I will be able to chip away at its early past.

More to follow... Eric

[-=Jeff=-]

cool deal, but yes Pictures please, even in its current condition

[1989ZR1#74]

cool deal, but yes Pictures please, even in its current condition

Will do. I took some last night, but will have many more once I get my hands on it.

[-=Jeff=-]

Will do. I took some last night, but will have many more once I get my hands on it.

Eric,

I always wondered how that works for getting the car.. So once you win the auction for a vehicle, what are the steps that need to be taken before you get the car. meaning does the car have to stay at the Auction location until the very end?

I have never bought a car at an auction like thatbut I have watch Mecum Auctions at Bloomington Gold, so what happens after the 'win'

Thanks,

[Ccmano]

Maybe some day, when I get to be Hans age, I can retire to CA on the money I make selling my Zs.

:cheers:

I resemble that remark! :sign10:

Congrats Eric, nice buy, can't wait to see the picures. When I grow up want to be like you.
H
:cheers:

[Pete]

Hey, we don't care she's a little dirty we like them a little dirty.:)
Pictures please.

Is #74 the Snake Skinner?

Also anybody know the $47k bidder obviously he also is a ZR-1 enthusiast.

Congrats :thumbsup:

Love to see it at BG.
Pete

[TommyL]

Congrats :cheers: This is going to be another saved Z ... I for one would love to own it.

[1989ZR1#74]

Eric,

I always wondered how that works for getting the car.. So once you win the auction for a vehicle, what are the steps that need to be taken before you get the car. meaning does the car have to stay at the Auction location until the very end?

I have never bought a car at an auction like thatbut I have watch Mecum Auctions at Bloomington Gold, so what happens after the 'win'

Thanks,

After the Hammer Drops:

A guy runs out with a clip board. There is a form in duplicate that has all the information on it, lot #, hammer price, auctioneer, operator (bidders assistant). He adds your bidder number and you sign that form. Now you accept the 'contract' to buy car. They give you the yellow copy. They keep the white. They instruct you that you need to pay by close of business day. You wonder around in a daze for 30 minutes and answer fun questions like "What do you do with a car you can't drive?" "wow that seems a lot for a car that doesnt run what makes it so special?" "my uncle had a steel corvette!" (the last one was a joke)

You take that slip to the business office. They assign you a closing agent who pulls the cars file and your bidder file......

Part 2 to follow... Gotta run up to the Auction to get it towed.

Eric

[Eric870]

I bet there were a lot of heads poping up wondering what that car was after it sold for $55,000. Including Speed network...

Congrats...

[BlackWidow#2]

I will get it back to my shop today and the fun will begin. Already ordered window sticker and build sheet for it. I will order the dealer invoice (they even produce something if the car stayes at GM) today. It will be fun, and hopefully It I can get it together by the 20th Gathering.

I have already developed a ton of GM contacts researching #74 so hopefully I will be able to chip away at its early past.

More to follow... Eric

Congrats on another cool car!
How do you get a copy of the dealer invoice?
I didn't know these were available.
Thanks and good luck with the new car.
George

[1989ZR1#74]

Then they total up what you owe, commisions, taxes etc. You take a deep breath and pray your pen has enough ink to write that big of a check. They hand you two sets of paper work a white copy and a yellow copy. Then you walk accross the parking lot to the "Property Room" There they check to see if there are any additional loose things for the car, Manuals, trophies, all those signs you see models carry on the stage etc. There are all sorts of really neat things in there from hard tops to original tires. all sorted on shelves by lot number. In the case of 004 there was no additional information. That was a drag because #074 had it's log book there. Then you head down to key control. After the car is run through and returned to the tent the keys are dropped off at another tent......

More to follow...

And a teaser picture on my first day home with #004

http://www.syreal.com/Fullpowersmall.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Hey, we don't care she's a little dirty we like them a little dirty.:)
Pictures please.

Is #74 the Snake Skinner?

Also anybody know the $47k bidder obviously he also is a ZR-1 enthusiast.

Congrats :thumbsup:

Love to see it at BG.
Pete

He came back and talked to me, but I can't remember his name off hand. I have his card at home. He was known in ZR-1 circles, but not a member of the "Reg"

#74 is not Snake Skinner. Boy I wish it was. Snake Skinner is number #81

#74 is this car:

http://www.syreal.com/deucevette.jpg

[-=Jeff=-]

Is tht your Hot rod too?

[1989ZR1#74]

Thats the 1990 NSRA Giveaway car. Know back then as the ZR32. It was built by California Street Rods. Chevy used CSR to build some west coast concepts back in the day. They gave them #74 (which they painted Plum Crazy) to use and the drivetrain and running gear from another <20 VIN 1989 ZR-1. I have heard it was #13 but I have not confirmed that yet. They built it and showed it. It came in 2nd or 3rd at the 1990 Oakland Hotrod show. Then they raffled it off at the 1990 NSRA show. #74 and the ZR32 running gear were at SIMA in 1989. I have tracked ZR32 a little, but have not found it's current owner. Wouldn't that be a neat reunion.

[1989ZR1#74]

Congrats on another cool car!
How do you get a copy of the dealer invoice?
I didn't know these were available.
Thanks and good luck with the new car.
George

George, I will get that to you tomorrow. Allied Vauhn has a contract to access that database for GM. Most post 1977 Chevys are available. It's $50 and neat. I found out from them they don't have one for #004. I will share why later. Still digging on that info.

[-=Jeff=-]

When was #74 at the museum? ( other then last year) I think it was there once before 1998 maybe? I Think I might have a pic of it from then somewhere

[1989ZR1#74]

When was #74 at the museum? ( other then last year) I think it was there once before 1998 maybe? I Think I might have a pic of it from then somewhere

I do not think it was ever there before. The car was returned to GM a short time after the 1990 NSRA show and they stored it in a warehouse at the Advance Concept Center (west coast design office) for 14+ years. Dick Balsley found it around 04 and shipped it to the Heritage Collection. It stayed there until #003 fell out of a tree and replaced it at the Center. You might be thinking of Purple Smash. It lived at the Museum for several years and is a very similar hue. That was a color test it was either a 92 /93. That also sold last year at BJ.

[-=Jeff=-]

no I thought I saw another one along with Purple Smash in a similar color, but I was wrong

[1989ZR1#74]

no I thought I saw another one along with Purple Smash in a similar color, but I was wrong

I will never take anything for granted on #74 just when I think I know the whole story other things pop up. Dick said he only showed it outside the Heritage Center once. I have not confirmed where yet. If you find a picture of it please let me know. the book is never closed on this one.

[-=Jeff=-]

I will never take anything for granted on #74 just when I think I know the whole story other things pop up. Dick said he only showed it outside the Heritage Center once. I have not confirmed where yet. If you find a picture of it please let me know. the book is never closed on this one.

I thought I had a picture, but it was the Purple Smash, I think the other one I was thinking fo was the DR-1

[Tyler Townsley]

OK for those new to this car. I found that car after a tip from a friend. It was located at a community college that trains techs for GM, Crysler and Ford. They wanted to donate to a museum but GM still owned the cat and would not let it go to the NCM. They took it back to the Heritage center. I knew when I found out that they had #3 that sooner or later this car would come out. The car was repainted by the tech school as a training exercise. I think the odo showed 270 miles when I saw it so it must have gone to the tech center very early. The school turned $250k in late 90s.

Tyler

[1989ZR1#74]

It shows 344 Miles on the ODO now. The paint job is actualy not bad. It must have a ton of metallic layers because it appears a purplish maroon when lit in one direction and blue in another and black when lit from above. There are painted pin stripes on it. That are really clear coated in they are so subtle I did not see them until it was lit at my building.

[GOLDCYLON]

Any local viewings of the car available? GC :-D

[1989ZR1#74]

Any local viewings of the car available? GC :-D

Arrangements can be made... When the town car pulls up at your door you will be blindfolded and taken to an undisclosed location. Ask no questions and by all means limit your eye contact.... Or just PM me.

[GOLDCYLON]

Arrangements can be made... When the town car pulls up at your door you will be blindfolded and taken to an undisclosed location. Ask no questions and by all means limit your eye contact.... Or just PM me.


LOL Ok when I get back from my Dam survey up in Alamo I will shoot ya a PM !! Daryll :thumbsup:

[LGAFF]

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Auction: SCOTTSDALE 2010 Sale Price: *$29,700.00 Year: 1990 Make: CHEVROLET Model: CORVETTE Style: COUPE Exterior Color: RED Interior Color: RED Cylinders: V8 Engine Size: 350 ZR1 Transmission: 6-SPEED MANUAL Summary: Stock original ZR-1. 9,815 original miles. Red on red.

[1989ZR1#74]

OK I left you at key control. You go there they check you ID and Bill of Sale and they give you your keys. They then tell you what tent the car is in and off you go. You find it and do the walk around and pull and poke at all the things you couldnt do before. When you pay they provide you with a temp license tag if it remains in the area. Then you can drive it away. It's quite an experience to win and 30 minutes later your driving it off the lot. You head to the main gate. You hand the yellow copy to the gate attendant. They compare the VIN on the Bill of Sale to the VIN of the car. They check you ID again. Then the gate opens up and away you go. All of that took place for 004 except the drive off part. Since it was sold on a salvage title they would not provide a temp tag for it. I had a flat bed tow truck haul it off the lot to my building. That was fun. they had to pull me through a crowded tent with a golf cart to the flat bed. Ever try to steer a ZR-1 with bad brakes and no power steering through a thousand people. All of them laughing at the POS you just paid $50K for!

The towing company owner drove the cart. He was also the guy that towed the car to the block with the Razor ATV. More on that story later... Eric

[-=Jeff=-]

thanks for the detail Eric.. sounds like a surreal experience

[1989ZR1#74]

Update on the car. Put air in the two front tires. The passenger side tire holds air, the driver side doesn't. I hope some slime will fix that since the tires appear original. The more I look at the engine the more it looks like it may only have 344 miles on it. It is so clean. I dropped the spare crawled around underneath. The tire bag has been chewed by a mouse. The tire has "Pilot #4" written with grease pen on it. The battery in the car is dead. I pulled that. None of the relays in the battery area are secured to anything. #74 has them fastened to brackets etc. The ECU is remanufactured, but the part number matched the one in #74. I will get some pictures up later.

Also heard back from Allied Vaughn (vehicleinvoice"at"gmmediaarchive.com Stacy) She informs me that there isn't an invoice for #4. For some reason she said "I recognize this VIN" then says the system says its marked as "a company car PEP scrapped vehicle" Can anyone guess what PEP means? She didn't know.

Fun RPO codes from the SPI:

AR9: seats: Seat front European Style Pass/driver
WD1: Pilot vehicle
UM6: Non bose cassette deck


Stay tuned...

[DMark]

..... The tire has "Pilot #4" written with grease pen on it.....
WOW! :thumbsup:

[Jeffvette]

Also heard back from Allied Vaughn (vehicleinvoice"at"gmmediaarchive.com Stacy) She informs me that there isn't an invoice for #4. For some reason she said "I recognize this VIN" then says the system says its marked as "a company car PEP scrapped vehicle" Can anyone guess what PEP means? She didn't know.



GM Still uses the PEP car status.

2009 ZR1's with PEP status
95800007
95800021
95800076
95800077
95800117
95800128

Not sure what PEP stands for.

[ScottZ95ZR1]

Believe PEP is the acronym for GMs "Product Evaluation Program" where the vehicle is driven as a company car by a GM executive.

[1989ZR1#74]

Scott, thanks for the PEP info. Turns out GM searched for the dealer invoice in the last few weeks that's why they recognized the vin.

More Info:

http://www.syreal.com/manseat.jpg

[1989ZR1#74]

Thought this was interesting. My 1989 L98 Corvette has standard cloth seats (1 of only 400 built that year) Here is a side bolster comparison between the two:

http://www.syreal.com/seatdifsm.jpg

Note the checker pattern on the ZR-1 is oposite of the base cloth seat.

[1989ZR1#74]

Last seat related picture

http://www.syreal.com/powerseatmissing.JPG

[TAMMRICH]

PEP cars are giving to GM level 8 Managers and above, generally for 1 year or less, sometimes as little as 3 months, the individidual keeps a log of issues and evaluations during that time period. Then GM employees are allowed to buy the PEP cars at greatly reduced pricing.

[1989ZR1#74]

PEP cars are giving to GM level 8 Managers and above, generally for 1 year or less, sometimes as little as 3 months, the individidual keeps a log of issues and evaluations during that time period. Then GM employees are allowed to buy the PEP cars at greatly reduced pricing.


Good stuff thanks. I imagine there was probably an embargo on buying an 89 ZR-1 though. So lets speculate who was a level 8 manager in 1989? Dave Mclellan? John Heinricy?

[TAMMRICH]

After Level 8 they go unclassified which is what those guys would have been, at that level you pretty much take what car you want!

[-=Jeff=-]

Thought this was interesting. My 1989 L98 Corvette has standard cloth seats (1 of only 400 built that year) Here is a side bolster comparison between the two:

http://www.syreal.com/seatdifsm.jpg

Note the checker pattern on the ZR-1 is oposite of the base cloth seat.

The ZR-1 does not have the sport controls? That is a normal difference from an 89 Base and a 89 Sport seat (cloth or Leather)

[phrogs]

Manual seats in a ZR-1 crazy! I kinda like the cloth seats though its different, and they are abviously different than the other 89 seat wonder why maybe a ZR-1 specific colth seat that was being looked at but was not a sport seat :dontknow:

[1989ZR1#74]

The ZR-1 does not have the sport controls? That is a normal difference from an 89 Base and a 89 Sport seat (cloth or Leather)

These are not sport seats. No power bolsters etc. No controls.

[-=Jeff=-]

These are not sport seats. No power bolsters etc. No controls.

Ah okay.. Very interesting then..

[1989ZR1#74]

Spare tire stuff:

http://www.syreal.com/spare.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/pilottire.JPG

[1989ZR1#74]

Spare as found in 89 #74

http://www.syreal.com/74spare.jpg

http://www.syreal.com/74sparezr1.JPG

[jrd1990zr1]

Congratulations on your purchase.

I hope you will continue to post up dates on the car. This is real neat stuff!

:cheers:

[bdw18_123]

Congratulations on your purchase.

I hope you will continue to post up dates on the car. This is real neat stuff!

:cheers:

I agree, I like learning about the little details and differences of these prototype ZR-1's. And like everyone else has already said, you can never have too many pictures! :mrgreen:

[1989ZR1#74]

Congratulations on your purchase.

I hope you will continue to post up dates on the car. This is real neat stuff!

:cheers:


Thanks Will do. I will start updating again on Monday. Busy looking at the auction.

[1989ZR1#74]

Update: Found out #010 was built 3/22/1988 So that should mean #004 was built before that. So there is over a year gap between #004 and #074. Can't wait to get at the build sheet on #004.

[John Boothby]

Very very cool! I love watching BJ as alot of the cars bring back memories. May dad always owned gas stations and I grew up working in them back in the 50's and 60's.

I think your buy is great! It went to someone who really appreciates what these cars are. Maybe I will get down to see it someday!

[1989ZR1#74]

Research Update:

Amelia never made it accross the Atlantic (Amelia is #004s new name. My daughters have the honor of naming all of the Jackson houshold cars. They felt that she is a girl, and she is a pilot, and I thought she was flown to France so they picked Amelia....).

All period references and Dave McLellan's book, reference that the 12 to 15 (depending on source) ZR-1s flown accross the pond for the world unvailing were built just prior to their air shipment to Europe. In the June 1989 Corvette Fever Paul Zazarine states "Fifteen other pilot-production ZR-1s all built in late January (1989) at Bowling Green were also air-shipped to Geneva..." I thought that would end up being the case. I also learned today that #010 was build in March of 1988. I would speculate that all of the France cars have S/N#s after #010 and probably after #16. The yellow Geneva car at the NCM is #016.

Now the dilema. I would guess that Amelia did not have a ZR-1 emblem on the rear bumper:

http://www.syreal.com/bjn43.jpg

More then likely it had an LT-5 emblem as #014 did and all the long lead press cars at Riverside, CA press debut had. Talk about Unobtanium! Well the search begins.

I am also not 100% convinced the trade school painted this car. When I first saw Amelia unter the tent on a very overcast day with a layer of dust, dirt and hand prints it look like a cheap quick respray. I though there were three layers, Red, Black and Blue. It appears that there is a black base coat with multiple metalics candied over it. Until I learn more about their program, I find it hard to believe that a big 3 automotive trade school would paint this car with a teriffic quality very expensive multi metalic layered paint including all of the doorjams with all of the door panels, trim, tail lights etc removed. This is a very very high quality paint application. I would think that a trade program would spend more time on repainting damaged panels etc. So although it may be true, I am not going into it with preconcieved ideas.

More to follow.

[WB9MCW]

Congrats on your 2nd Proto score.

It is like a mystery novel reading along as you uncover all the info on this Z.

[bdw18_123]

Research Update:

...

Now the dilema. I would guess that Amelia did not have a ZR-1 emblem on the rear bumper:

http://www.syreal.com/bjn43.jpg

More then likely it had an LT-5 emblem as #014 did and all the long lead press cars at Riverside, CA press debut had. Talk about Unobtanium! Well the search begins.

...



You are probably right about the emblem that is supposed to be there, as every picture I have ever seen of the '89 ZR-1's always has the LT5 emblem instead of the ZR-1 emblem. I guess they decided to change it at the last minute.

EDIT: Here is a quote from a website (http://maxchevy.com/events/2009/iv_2-autopsy-10.html) that explains why they changed the emblem. Most of you probably already know this, but I'll post it anyway:

"The ZR-1 emblem affixed to the right corner of the special extra-width rear fascia was the brainchild of Corvette Development Manager, Doug Robinson. Initially the plan was to use the LT-5 moniker for the King of the Hill project but a change in GM rules prohibiting engine RPO codes from appearing as external nomenclature nixed the plan. Though plastic LT5 emblems appeared on early engineering prototypes and are seen on David Kimble’s cutaway illustration, Robinson’s ZR-1 moniker was the final production choice."

I don't know if you'd ever be able to locate an original prototype LT5 emblem (though anything is possible), but I know the ZR-1netregistry store used to sell the LT5 emblems that look pretty much exactly like the original prototype ones. I bought the last one they had, they said no more were going to be made. The package the emblem came in says it's an officially licensed GM product, but I don't know if that really means anything.

Here is a picture of the one I have:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/bdw18_123/IMG_0638.jpg

And here is a picture of one on a restored '89 pilot ZR-1. They look identical to me (other than the difference in color):
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/bdw18_123/restored_1989_pilot_ZR-1.jpg

So, I'm sure someone has some extras of the ones like I have they are willing to part with that you could use in the event you can't find an original one.

[1989ZR1#74]

Well that's good news. #16, #74, and #78 have ZR-1 emblems. All the European debut cars had ZR-1. The Riverside 89s (1 red, 1 yellow) had LT-5s. The pearl white Z in the picture is #14. Since that was a crush car I don't know what it originally came with, but probably an LT-5. Not sure what #3, the Hertiage Centers ZR-1, has or originally had. Knowing they reproduced something close is a good start. Thanks. Eric

[1989ZR1#74]

I am moving the updates to here:
http://www.zr1netregistry.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80402#post80402

That way you can follow along without the Auction info.

Eric

[zedrone]

cool deal, makes me want to give Minnecker a call and ask him about his statement that "GM will never sell these cars for liability reasons" lol.

Ed