'95 ZR-1 #442 totaled...

[bdw18_123]

Got this from a thread in the Z section at CF. '95 ZR-1 Red/Red #442 totaled. Supposed to be a 2 Dunn head car too.

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/5/243907

The owner of the Z apparantly did an illegal passing move on the shoulder, lost control and went across the road taking out two cars.

Pretty sad, 4 people he hit hurt bad in hospital. Extremely bad judgment. Probably he's gonna face some charges.

[rhipsher]

I guess it would be easy for me to say this guy was an idiot but I've done a few things that were less than wise in mine a few times to. I'm sure he feels horrible about it now.

[Pete]

I guess it would be easy for me to say this guy was an idiot but I've done a few things that were less than wise in mine a few times to. I'm sure he feels horrible about it now.

I agree i have done some crazy ****.
I feel bad for those people.
How old was the vette driver?

Man there are some Corvette haters posting on there.

Some/most drivers have to understand some basic driving rules left lane is for passing/fast lane why do some people have the freaking need to drive on the left lane.

They need to make it law,left lane for passing only.

Pete

[Jeffvette]

I agree i have done some crazy ****.
I feel bad for those people.
How old was the vette driver?


Fias is in his late 50's from what I remember meeting him a few years ago.


Some/most drivers have to understand some basic driving rules left lane is for passing/fast lane why do some people have the freaking need to drive on the left lane.

They need to make it law,left lane for passing only.

Pete

Passing on the right is no big deal (2 lane road) we all have done it & seen it done. But I think Fias was traveling at a higher rate of speed and just got into a bad situation.

[Pete]

Jeff, what i'm saying is,i can understand it gets frustrating when people drive slow in the fast lane and yes i always have the need to do some crazy **** that could put a lot of people in a bad situation and in some cases all that needed to be done is let fast traffic pass.

Pete

[bb62]

Jeff, what i'm saying is,i can understand it gets frustrating when people drive slow in the fast lane and yes i always have the need to do some crazy **** that could put a lot of people in a bad situation and in some cases all that needed to be done is let fast traffic pass.

Pete

Pete,

There was no fast or slow lane here, just "the" lane and the shoulder. If you read the comments in the article on the accident, it seems as if Fias was completely unconcerned for the other people involved in the accident. That will not bode well for him.

Like everybody else, I'm sure I've pulled a few crazy moves in my day, but NOT in traffic.

I guess for red/red Zs with confirmed Dunn heads produced in calendar year 1995, there's only one left - mine.

[Locobob]

Ouch, not a good situation at all. I've done my share of not so smart things behind the wheel and have gotten away clean so far, makes you think.

[Locobob]

I guess for red/red Zs with confirmed Dunn heads produced in calendar year 1995, there's only one left - mine.

Was the Z totaled? Couldn't discern much about the damage from the pics except that the front bumper cover got whacked.

[bb62]

Was the Z totaled? Couldn't discern much about the damage from the pics except that the front bumper cover got whacked.

From what I can see in the picture:

1. Rear window blow out - the frame was probably twisted to such an extent that the glass shattered. doesn't bode well for the frame.
2. Front bumper cover looks to be torn off like one might expect in a side collision. This also doesn't bode well for the frame or the front suspension.
3. Look at how low the front end of the Corvette sits on the field. The field is flat but the rear end appear too high. This probably means that either both tires are flat or the front suspension collapsed in the collision (or both).
4. It's a little hard to see, but notice that both doors are open. Notice that the driver door is a reasonable height off the ground but that the passenger door (also open) appear to be much higher off the ground. This could be due to a buckled birdcage.
5. another clue would be the damage to the front end of the blue car in the picture. Given simple physics and knowing that the energy transfered would be equal in both directions, the front end of the Corvette is likely to have the same overall damage.
6. Look at where the damage is in the oncoming car. It is NOT on the inside but on the outside of the vehicle. Concurrently, notice that the Corvette itself is not in the opposite field which would be characteristic of a glancing blow. This probably indicates that the following sequence of events:
a. Corvette passes truck on the right side at high speed
b. Corvette reenters lane in front of the truck but on adding power to complete the pass starts to spin to the right.
c. Corvette driver overcompensates to try to right the vehicle and spins in the opposite direction as his tires lose all grip and he slides across the road into oncoming traffic.
d. Corvette gets hit in the driver side of the vehicle as the vehicle is mostly across the oncoming lane by the outside (passenger) side of the blue car.
e. Corvette gets spun around in this offset hit that throws the car in a perpendicular axis to its current forward progress and spins 270 degrees from the hit to sit where it is now.

Seems like incredibly stupid driving to me. The guy should have taken a high performance driving course to get even a clue as to how the car would react at high speed.

[Locobob]

From what I can see in the picture:

1. Rear window blow out - the frame was probably twisted to such an extent that the glass shattered. doesn't bode well for the frame.
2. Front bumper cover looks to be torn off like one might expect in a side collision. This also doesn't bode well for the frame or the front suspension.
3. Look at how low the front end of the Corvette sits on the field. The field is flat but the rear end appear too high. This probably means that either both tires are flat or the front suspension collapsed in the collision (or both).
4. It's a little hard to see, but notice that both doors are open. Notice that the driver door is a reasonable height off the ground but that the passenger door (also open) appear to be much higher off the ground. This could be due to a buckled birdcage.
5. another clue would be the damage to the front end of the blue car in the picture. Given simple physics and knowing that the energy transfered would be equal in both directions, the front end of the Corvette is likely to have the same overall damage.
6. Look at where the damage is in the oncoming car. It is NOT on the inside but on the outside of the vehicle. Concurrently, notice that the Corvette itself is not in the opposite field which would be characteristic of a glancing blow. This probably indicates that the following sequence of events:
a. Corvette passes truck on the right side at high speed
b. Corvette reenters lane in front of the truck but on adding power to complete the pass starts to spin to the right.
c. Corvette driver overcompensates to try to right the vehicle and spins in the opposite direction as his tires lose all grip and he slides across the road into oncoming traffic.
d. Corvette gets hit in the driver side of the vehicle as the vehicle is mostly across the oncoming lane by the outside (passenger) side of the blue car.
e. Corvette gets spun around in this offset hit that throws the car in a perpendicular axis to its current forward progress and spins 270 degrees from the hit to sit where it is now.

Seems like incredibly stupid driving to me. The guy should have taken a high performance driving course to get even a clue as to how the car would react at high speed.

Dang, you should be on CSI =D>

[petefias]

I wish I could comment on this.

My Guardian Angel was looking out for me that day. Please pray for all who got injured in that horrific accident.

Thank you.

[Polo-1]

[QUOTE=bb62;79685]Pete,

If you read the comments in the article on the accident, it seems as if Fias was completely unconcerned for the other people involved in the accident. That will not bode well for him.
QUOTE]

I think they call it " in shock " .

[Jeffvette]

I wish I could comment on this.

My Guardian Angel was looking out for me that day. Please pray for all who got injured in that horrific accident.

Thank you.


Pete glad to hear from you. Glad you are alright and hope everybody gets through this. Good luck.

[Jeffvette]

Jeff, what i'm saying is,i can understand it gets frustrating when people drive slow in the fast lane and yes i always have the need to do some crazy **** that could put a lot of people in a bad situation and in some cases all that needed to be done is let fast traffic pass.

Pete


2 lane highway, one lane each way with a gravel shoulder or maybe a partial paved shoulder. I pass on the right with due diligence when encountering a vehicle that is turning left and fully stopped.

[phrogs]

What it all boils down to is accidents happen thats why we all are required to have insurance.

Cars are also designed to self destruct these days so its hard to say how fast either one was going ive seen **** like this with 35 mph.

you also don't know if the occupants of the other car had on seat belts and so on and so on don't assume anything thats what those tools on the other website are doing assuming to much like they never did anything stupid while driving or made a miscaulation.

No one was killed it was a accident

I love how someone in that thread says that he didn't go see how they were doing um its all about shock.

just because a car is in a wreck and its a vette or a whatever its always assumed they were at fault let the cops figure that out.

90% of the driving population sucks *** when it comes to driving its a fact its great to point fingers and call someone an idiot but ill bet whoever is poking fun at you has had there own fair share of wrecks.

[phrogs]

2 lane highway, one lane each way with a gravel shoulder or maybe a partial paved shoulder. I pass on the right with due diligence when encountering a vehicle that is turning left and fully stopped.


Yep jeff you, I and just about everyone else in this world does that

[flyin ryan]

Sounds like a bad deal no matter what 'Spin' get's put on it :dontknow:. Hope everyone pulls through O.K. :neutral:.

[phrogs]

I wonder what this guy did??

https://www.iaai.com/VehicleImages/20100116/111/03/6118203/6118203_1_I.jpeg

[A1990]

2 lane highway, one lane each way with a gravel shoulder or maybe a partial paved shoulder. I pass on the right with due diligence when encountering a vehicle that is turning left and fully stopped.

Until an on-coming car turns left too and you T-bone them. Illegal pass on your part. This happened to me. I was the one turning left and someone passed on the shoulder and hit me. Their fault, their ticket.

[Jeffvette]

Until an on-coming car turns left too and you T-bone them. Illegal pass on your part. This happened to me. I was the one turning left and someone passed on the shoulder and hit me. Their fault, their ticket.

Like I said, due diligence. Also, entering a 4 way like that is asking for trouble.

[A1990]

agree. due diligence. Like Johnny said we all do it. I did, but I don't anymore...

[Z51JEFF]

I wonder what this guy did??

https://www.iaai.com/VehicleImages/20100116/111/03/6118203/6118203_1_I.jpeg

Too much power?

[Polo-1]

or not enough to make it...................

[flyin ryan]

I'd say that front wheel is history...:cool:

[Z51JEFF]

It would be interesting to know how many of these have been balled up already.This is the second one Ive seen this week.

[-=Jeff=-]

It would be interesting to know how many of these have been balled up already.This is the second one Ive seen this week.

on the new ZR1 I bet at least 30 if not more

As for the OP, I looked at that article, looks like it was Oct 2009, I assume all that were in Hospital are better or?

[WB9MCW]

Sorry for your loss and glad all lived and you are OK-- good luck to you Pete.

[ZZZZZR1]

Sorry for your loss and glad all lived and you are OK-- good luck to you Pete.

Well said. Spoke to Pete yesterday.... He has a few broken bones and does not remember the crash at all.

We only wish the best for you Pete and please keep in touch!

:cheers:

David

[secondchance]

I wish I could comment on this.

My Guardian Angel was looking out for me that day. Please pray for all who got injured in that horrific accident.

Thank you.

I know how you feel. I was in a real bad wreck back in 1996 in a 91 ZR-1. Important thing is all walked away. My ultimate closure was when I got another Z.

[JThomas]

From what I can see in the picture:

1. Rear window blow out - the frame was probably twisted to such an extent that the glass shattered. doesn't bode well for the frame.
2. Front bumper cover looks to be torn off like one might expect in a side collision. This also doesn't bode well for the frame or the front suspension.
3. Look at how low the front end of the Corvette sits on the field. The field is flat but the rear end appear too high. This probably means that either both tires are flat or the front suspension collapsed in the collision (or both).
4. It's a little hard to see, but notice that both doors are open. Notice that the driver door is a reasonable height off the ground but that the passenger door (also open) appear to be much higher off the ground. This could be due to a buckled birdcage.
5. another clue would be the damage to the front end of the blue car in the picture. Given simple physics and knowing that the energy transfered would be equal in both directions, the front end of the Corvette is likely to have the same overall damage.
6. Look at where the damage is in the oncoming car. It is NOT on the inside but on the outside of the vehicle. Concurrently, notice that the Corvette itself is not in the opposite field which would be characteristic of a glancing blow. This probably indicates that the following sequence of events:
a. Corvette passes truck on the right side at high speed
b. Corvette reenters lane in front of the truck but on adding power to complete the pass starts to spin to the right.
c. Corvette driver overcompensates to try to right the vehicle and spins in the opposite direction as his tires lose all grip and he slides across the road into oncoming traffic.
d. Corvette gets hit in the driver side of the vehicle as the vehicle is mostly across the oncoming lane by the outside (passenger) side of the blue car.
e. Corvette gets spun around in this offset hit that throws the car in a perpendicular axis to its current forward progress and spins 270 degrees from the hit to sit where it is now.

Seems like incredibly stupid driving to me. The guy should have taken a high performance driving course to get even a clue as to how the car would react at high speed.

I'm guessing a Traffic Crash Reconstructionist or Accident Investigator?