Try Again - Maintenance Day in Westminster, MD - 3 Jan '10

[QB93Z]

Happy New Year WAZOO!!!

It looks like the crummy weather will break by Sunday. Anyone interested in coming to the Westminster ZR-1 Maintenance Faclity on 3 Jan let me know.

Jim

[Scrrem]

Happy New Year WAZOO!!!

It looks like the crummy weather will break by Sunday. Anyone interested in coming to the Westminster ZR-1 Maintenance Faclity on 3 Jan let me know.

Jim

Jim,
Got a new water pump, hoses and thottle body plate but still waiting on 2 gallons of green stuff. If I can get some locally, I'll hang on to what I have on order. Think this is doable? I don't want to tie up the lift the whole day. Let me know.
Rich

[QB93Z]

Rich, Yes I think we can do it in one day. I have some anti-freeze that will work for you.

I am waiting to hear from SC also. He wants to do front suspension work so the lift would be available for the water pump and hoses work.

Any one else???:occasion1:occasion1

Jim

[Scrrem]

Rich, Yes I think we can do it in one day. I have some anti-freeze that will work for you.

I am waiting to hear from SC also. He wants to do front suspension work so the lift would be available for the water pump and hoses work.

Any one else???:occasion1:occasion1

Jim

OK Jim, Just let me know a time, and I'll be there.
Rich

[secondchance]

I will be there. What time?
I can't wait to put on all new shocks!:mrgreen:

[QB93Z]

Cool.

I will have the heaters on and the beer cold at 0800 (8AM).

Is that early enough? If you want to start sooner, I can do that.

Now we need some supervisors. Come on up.

I will be domonstrating the neat new Craftsman wrenches I got for Christmas.

Jim

[secondchance]

Oh... Let's say 10. I need my sleep on weekends.
New wrenches, eh?

[Scrrem]

Cool.

I will have the heaters on and the beer cold at 0800 (8AM).

Is that early enough? If you want to start sooner, I can do that.

Now we need some supervisors. Come on up.

I will be domonstrating the neat new Craftsman wrenches I got for Christmas.

Jim

I'm an early guy, if you want to do 8:00, I can do that. I think I have a full day in front of me.
Rich

[HIZNHRZ]

Doesn't look like the lift will be available for any rear suspension work - I'll wait for the next maintenance day. Jim, this will give us a chance to talk about what I have in mind.

Rich, if you want a hand with the water pump let me know. I'm an early riser as well.

[Scrrem]

Rich, if you want a hand with the water pump let me know. I'm an early riser as well.

Sure man! Hell, I'll never pass up "Free Help". If nothing else we need some on-site supervisors :mrgreen:
Rich

[ZZZZZR1]

Cool.

I will have the heaters on and the beer cold at 0800 (8AM).

Is that early enough? If you want to start sooner, I can do that.

Now we need some supervisors. Come on up.

I will be domonstrating the neat new Craftsman wrenches I got for Christmas.

Jim

New tools Jim? Are you sure the aren't duplicates? ;)


Cheers

David

[secondchance]

Doesn't look like the lift will be available for any rear suspension work - I'll wait for the next maintenance day. Jim, this will give us a chance to talk about what I have in mind.

Rich, if you want a hand with the water pump let me know. I'm an early riser as well.

What do you need to do for the suspension? May be we can knock out both.

[HIZNHRZ]

Yun, thanks for asking. What I want to do is the next step in leveling the rear ride height of my Z. I'm not in a hurry so it can wait.

These last few months I've been working on my garage and so my Z is in a friends house in Mt. Airy. I'm not even sure I can get my car down his driveway.

Thanks again.

[secondchance]

Yun, thanks for asking. What I want to do is the next step in leveling the rear ride height of my Z. I'm not in a hurry so it can wait.

These last few months I've been working on my garage and so my Z is in a friends house in Mt. Airy. I'm not even sure I can get my car down his driveway.

Thanks again.

I don't think replacing 4 shocks would take that long - 3hrs?
Upper control arm can be replaced just with a jack.

[QB93Z]

Happy New Year to us all!:occasion1

I was out in the garage this morning. It got so warm out there I had to take my jacket off and turn the heaters off! I am all ready for Sunday.

Glad to hear that you are coming up Scott.:thumbsup: We can do your shocks when ever it works for you.

I just tried some of the new wrenches that I got for Christmas. Really cool; racheting open-end wrench!

Jim

[Jagdpanzer]

No kidding, racheting open-end wench? I've got to see this!

[ZZZZZR1]

No kidding, racheting open-end wench? I've got to see this!

Hey Phil,

If we set up a "header install", could you come by and supervise?

Happy new year!

David

[Aurora40]

Count me in. I have an LT4-owning friend who's interested as well. How long do you foresee it going on for? There's no way I'll be there at any 8am... :O

[Jagdpanzer]

Hey Phil,

If we set up a "header install", could you come by and supervise?

Happy new year!

David

Sure, who's doing headers?

Phil

[ZZZZZR1]

Sure, who's doing headers?

Phil


Could be 2 "local" guys. Unsure the time frame and coordinating schedules.

I'll try to get with you in the coming weeks!

:cheers:

David

[ZZZZZR1]

Count me in. I have an LT4-owning friend who's interested as well. How long do you foresee it going on for? There's no way I'll be there at any 8am... :O


Me too... I'll be there about 10am.

:thumbsup:

David

[QB93Z]

Bob, your friend is welcome as are you.

I don't know the end time, but however long the jobs take. If we get done early, I have picked a nice local area cruise to do some road testing. Lunch will probably be pizza. Some times we go out for dinner afterwards. But the schedule is very flexible. People come and go as necessary.

Even if you aren't in need of maintenance right now, come on by to see a fine gathering of ZR-1's

Phone number at the garage is 443-244-1347. Call or email if you need directions.

If you get lost we will send out a ZR-1 search party for you!

Jim

[ZZZZZR1]

Update,


Just talked to Darrin (he's coming) and also Ricky....

Should be a full house!!!!!!!!!!!

:cheers:


David

[Jagdpanzer]

Jim, is the heater in good working order?
Forecast in the morning calls for 20 degrees F with 24 mph NW winds.
I'm sure David would appreciate it if the garage was nice and toasty when he rolls in at 10:00.

[ZZZZZR1]

Jim, is the heater in good working order?
Forecast in the morning calls for 20 degrees F with 24 mph NW winds.
I'm sure David would appreciate it if the garage was nice and toasty when he rolls in at 10:00.

:blahblah: Damn straight!!!! :mrgreen:

[HIZNHRZ]

Jim, I've got to modify my plans. My brother has a tree in his back yard that the wind tore up last night. I haven't seen it yet but he needs a chain saw and some help. I'm heading over to his place now. If it turns out not to be too big of a deal, I'll be over later...

-Scott

[QB93Z]

Thanks to everyone for coming out on such a cold day and helping out. When I went out to the garage at 0730, it was 17 degrees outside. With the heaters running we got the garage up to 56 degrees.:dancing

We had nine people join in the fun. Great time. It was nice to have Ricky come all the way from NJ just to hang out with us. Or maybe he just wanted to see what a ZR-1 looks like since he has had his in the shop so long.

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp152/QB93Z/2010%20Jan%20Maint%20Day/DSC02966.jpg

Yun (SecondChance) got his right front control arm replaced as well as replacing all four shocks.

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp152/QB93Z/2010%20Jan%20Maint%20Day/DSC02948.jpg

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp152/QB93Z/2010%20Jan%20Maint%20Day/DSC02957.jpg

We were not as successful with Rich's water pump. Removal went OK once we found that one last bolt that attaches to the TOP of the water pump:

http://i407.photobucket.com/albums/pp152/QB93Z/2010%20Jan%20Maint%20Day/DSC02964withwords.jpg

But then we realized that the replacement water pump was not going to work because the impeller sticks out too far towards the engine. Even before we installed any bolts, we noted that there was contact between the impeller and the block.

Maybe Rich can give more details about the replacement pump.

Thanks Phill for the coffee run. Thanks Ricky and David for the pizza. And thanks Lyndi for the Mac & Cheese. The beer was cold and the friendship was wonderful.:occasion1

Jim

[Aurora40]

Yun (SecondChance)
Sorry buddy, I kept calling you "Young"! :redface:

[secondchance]

Sorry buddy, I kept calling you "Young"! :redface:

Hey, no problem.

Here is the report:
1. Metal to metal noise when coming to stop has been eradicated.
2. Slight wandering also has been exorcized.
3. Car no longer bottoms out over speed bumps and definately feels more stable at high speed.

However, steering wheel is a little off center. New upper "A" arm seems to have affected wheel alignment. I might pull one skinny shim towards the back, at least, until I replace front tires.
It was great to see old friends and meet new (you Aurora40 and your friend). Well "seeing you" is more appropriate since I have been exchanging posts with you.

Rich. NOS water pump for $274!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/90-91-92-93-94-95-Corvette-ZR1-LT5-Water-Pump-NOS-GM_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5d253fdea3QQitemZ400 056901283QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcces sories

Also, Jim, please let Mrs. Voter know that I appreciated her mac and cheese!

[Scrrem]

Thanks to everyone for their help. My worst fear was realized when we went to install the new pump. When we put the new pump in place the impleller was firmly seated against the block and we had about 1/8 inch of a gap between the pump housing and the block. No gasket in the world would have taken up that gap. Also, the mating surface of the new pump wasn't even machined as the orginal pump was. Had to leave my car at Jim's until I can track down a new pump. Well, it was a live and learn for me today. Sorry I tied up the lift guys :o Anyway here are some pics.
Rich

[QB93Z]

...Also, Jim, please let Mrs. Voter know that I appreciated her mac and cheese!

Mrs Voter = Lyndi. She enjoyed making it for us. Her comment was: "Let'em hang out in the garage and throw food in the door every now and then."

Great news about the car's handling! :dancing It is not suprising that the alignment was affected based on the condition of those bushings.

Also thanks for the extra parts. They will be available to anyone who needs them in the WAZOO Parts Inventory/Cache.

Jim

[secondchance]

Mrs Voter = Lyndi. She enjoyed making it for us. Her comment was: "Let'em hang out in the garage and throw food in the door every now and then."

Great news about the car's handling! :dancing It is not suprising that the alignment was affected based on the condition of those bushings.

Also thanks for the extra parts. They will be available to anyone who needs them in the WAZOO Parts Inventory/Cache.

Jim

Thanks for being the "keeper of future nonperishable parts".
I propose, with your approval of course, that we replace parts with new (i.e. Rich's water pump) as long as they are available and relatively cheap and stash away serviceable parts for future. I have thrown away so many parts, new and used, sometimes simply because I no longer owned the car and learned of regrets.
especially parts for LT5, sooner or later, will become very tough to get. If we can't make a fortune on the car, may be we can make fortune on the used parts 20 years later!:mrgreen:

[Jagdpanzer]

Thanks Jim for hosting another excellent ZR-1 maintenance day event and a special thanks to Lyndi for fixing us up the Mac & Cheese lunch.
It was great seeing everybody who made it.
Sorry Rich about the replacement water pump turning out to be a bummer.
And congratulations Yun for the successful shock and A-arm change out.

[ZZZZZR1]

Shame about Rich.... I have heard of some of these Water Pumps not being correct, but not for years!

Damn Napa! Congrats to Yun! Too tight to help him out and he did it with precision too.....

2 weeks before another Maintenance day and maybe we can do the Red 90's Trans Jim?

Thanks for hosting Jim!

:cheers:

David

[Scrrem]

Thanks Jim for hosting another excellent ZR-1 maintenance day event and a special thanks to Lyndi for fixing us up the Mac & Cheese lunch.
It was great seeing everybody who made it.
Sorry Rich about the replacement water pump turning out to be a bummer.
And congratulations Yun for the successful shock and A-arm change out.

Yes, Thanks Lyndi for the Mac & Cheese, it was great! Thanks Jim for all the help and the use of garage and propane! Oh yeah, and the loner car too :o, drives great :thumbsup:
Thanks Phil, well valuable lesson learned for me, no rebuilds. If David strike out with George and I buy a pump, I may try and disassembe the old one, see what is involved in rebulding one of these.
Good job Yun, at least you we successful.
Rich

[secondchance]

Thanks, Phil.
You have no idea muscle pains I am experiencing today. No pain, no gain has a new meaning for me this morning.
Nonetheless, it was a great fun and certainly a rewarding and a learning experience.:cheers:

[RICKYRJ1]

Great to see what a Z looks like! :worship: Thanks Jim, for the invite :thumbsup: Good to see you & dat poor ole farmer :icon_scra Thanks to all who shared the day, great meeting some new people.
Phil & Dave let me know about potential black ops mission sooner than later :jawdrop:

[QB93Z]

Rich and/or Bob,

How about starting a thread in the tech section about that water pump. It was clear to me from looking at it, that the water pump we tried to install was not a "rebuilt" water pump. No part of it was an original casting. It was a knock-off copy, poorly done. Many other people could benefit from our experience.

Jim

[Scrrem]

Rich and/or Bob,

How about starting a thread in the tech section about that water pump. It was clear to me from looking at it, that the water pump we tried to install was not a "rebuilt" water pump. No part of it was an original casting. It was a knock-off copy, poorly done. Many other people could benefit from our experience.

Jim

I was so wore out from crawing under the hood I forgot to snap some pictures of the other pump.

Bob, can you snap a couple (front and back) and email them to me rmuhr1@verizon.net. Once I get my old pump back from David, I will clean up and snap some of the old pump and do a side-by-side in a thread.
Rich

[QB93Z]

The rest of the story....

When Rich and I got my '90 out for Rich to drive home, the left front tire was flat as a pancake due to a nail. :mad: So we swapped out the wheel with one of my 1993 spare set. So the "high end" loaner car looked kind of funny with 3 '90 wheels and a shiny sawblade.

Jim

[Scrrem]

The rest of the story....

When Rich and I got my '90 out for Rich to drive home, the left front tire was flat as a pancake due to a nail. :mad: So we swapped out the wheel with one of my 1993 spare set. So the "high end" loaner car looked kind of funny with 3 '90 wheels and a shiny sawblade.

Jim

Jim,
Well, there goes any hope I had of having tires on my car when I get back up there :mrgreen::mrgreen: Between you and Darrin, my Z will be picked clean but I will have a shiny new water pump :mrgreen:

Rich

[Jagdpanzer]

Don't worry Rich, you can buy it all back over the next couple of weeks off Ebay. That is all except the little throttle cover screws and nuts which Demps will probably out bid you for.

[QB93Z]

Yes sir! Having a red 1990 ZR-1 donor car parked on your lift is like Christmas all over again! I walked out to the garage this morning and thought: "Lookee what Santa left me!" :sign10:

Rich, it is a good thing you took my red '90, or I would be swapping parts right now. :wink:

Jim

[Aurora40]

How did the new shocks work out Yun?

[secondchance]

How did the new shocks work out Yun?

Hey,

Terrific! Much more stable and the car no longer bottom out at the rear when traversing speed bumps.

Upper control arm replacement exorcized metal to metal noise when coming to a stop.

Well worth the effort and money!:cheers: