parting out 90 with 179 miles

[Polo-1]

I'm just not having any luck selling this car...

So, looking into parting it out. Most of the miles are from spinning the tires on the lift. The whole car is new. Every part will be carefully removed and wrapped and boxed for shipping.

Start your wish list NCRS Lookers. This car has the white paper wraps on the vacuum lines, original oil filter, paper stickers with part #'s on them, on and on..........

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/012509078.jpg
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http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/012509080.jpg
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[Jeffvette]

Price on oil filter, center console, radio surround with power key and entire carpet.

[bdw18_123]

Man, that's a damn shame to part out such a beautiful '90 Z, don't do it! :cry: I assume that financial issues are forcing your hand? Because otherwise, you really should hang onto it.

You might be kicking yourself in 10-15 years when pristine examples like that could be going for $50K-60K (maybe more, maybe less?). There can't be that many Z's with less than 200 miles on the clock. But if you are gonna part it:

Damnit Jeff, you beat me to the radio surround! :D I need one of those (mine is all cut up). Though, this one might be a little too pricey. How about price on the power steering reservoir, or are you gonna keep the engine and accessories together?



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[Aurora40]

How much are you trying to sell it for that you will be ahead by parting it?

[Z Factor]

I find it hard to believe you would part out a perfect 20 year old ZR-1 with only less than 200 miles on it :icon_scra

Hopefully you are just frustrated and/or kidding :confused:

[Polo-1]

can not get anyone to offer more than $32 for it. So, carefully unbolt every part.

Have full box kit, and stickers, locking lug bag too.

Everything must go.

Jeff was hoping you could give some help on pricing like last car we did.

[Z Factor]

can not get anyone to offer more than $32 for it. So, carefully unbolt every part.

Have full box kit, and stickers, locking lug bag too.

Everything must go.

Jeff was hoping you could give some help on pricing like last car we did.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustration. I have another collector car that is 26 years old. For many years the market had these original $26k cars selling for $3k, maybe $7k for a prime example. Now ever though I was not selling, I just could not understand why no one was willing to pay a reasonable price for them. However the tide shifted and they started to go as high as what people paid for them new.
The moral of the story is that unless you are desperate to sell, you should not do anything rash. For that matter, how much do you realistically think you can get for it by parting it out, especially when you deduct the time you will put into the tear down, storage, effort to sell different parts, etc.?

[Dynomite]

Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustration. For that matter, how much do you realistically think you can get for it by parting it out, especially when you deduct the time you will put into the tear down, storage, effort to sell different parts, etc.?

I concur :thumbsup: This is one decision given all the work to take it apart and ship parts just does not make sense to me :happy1: You would have to sell $40 K or more in parts to make up for time and effort to net out your $32K :rolleyes:

Price on the Hard Top if it is the same as a 91 :cheers:
And....price on clear top if that is the same as a 91.

[tccrab]

:eek:

What is the world coming to.
*sigh*

TomC
"Crabs"

[flyin ryan]

That's too bad...Should have taken me up on my offer :dontknow:

[Jeffvette]

That's too bad...Should have taken me up on my offer :dontknow:


When he said not a penny less than 39k, your offer of 38,999.99 just wasn't good enough :handshak:

[ZR1Vette]

I am stunned..could not even begin to think about parting out a ZR-1 like this. I have what some would be considered a pristine 1990 MY ZR and looks just like yours...the idea of dismembering that car is beyond my recognition...if it is truly a NCRS car then consider donating to the Vette Museum in BG...get a big write off. Please think about alternatives...please

[Dynomite]

If this is the case.....if this is for real :rolleyes: seems to me anyone wanting to sell a ZR1 should part it out :confused:

There are many parts that are in just as good condition on a ZR1 having 50K miles as one having 200 miles I would say....even some engine parts :drunken_s

Is this some sort of practical joke :sign10:

I figured it out....you are going to string us all along for 3-1/2 months and then say.....April Fools

[USAFPILOT]

Well I have to call you out on this...you are either 1. Full of $#!T or 2. Full of $#!T.

Why the hell would anyone do that? As stated in an earlier post...you would be better off buying all the 100K mile plus ZR-1s and parting them all out for profit, than parting out one of the most pristine survivors around today. Send it to Barret Jackson or Mecum with a reserve on it before you part it out...try ebay etc.

[Jeffvette]

Send it to Barret Jackson or Mecum with a reserve on it before you part it out...try ebay etc.


BJ and Mecum hate reserve auctions. Because they don't sell. Plus both the buyer and seller get raped.

[Polo-1]

I dont have any problem with parting it out.
The last 91 Jeff and I did took 2 days. I thought it was fun. So, get your list ready or come up with a better deal. It's got to go.

It started @ $40k and can not get a real offer on it. If someone wants it for $35 I'll take it. Other wise I will part every nut and bolt out of it. Even the MSO paper work once the car is striped.

[HIZNHRZ]

Does the car have and include ALL required NCRS documentation?

[Jeffvette]

Does the car have and include ALL required NCRS documentation?


No docs, as the jackasses that run the region out here would not get it in for the judging in time. Gave Kevin the run around when he was asking questions.

This car is absolutely perfect and will breeze through judging, the only thing we can not track down is an original battery. I'm tempted to still run the car through NCRS, but have a 94 I might take that endeavor on with.

[Polo-1]

Jeff prep the car for NCRS tour. It was ready to pass all 4 cert's. Yes, 4 including Cross Flags. Jeff came over and did the pre judging with papers.

The glass on this car is something to see, not a scratch.
I might save the side glass for my 94. Jeff does 90 glass fit the 94 door?

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[Jeffvette]

WOW.....you sound serious and having Jeffvette on your team is REAL SERIOUS


parting it out with two people is easy. Most of it drops down with a few bolts.


I'm interested in the HVAC box on the engine side of the firewall as well.

[youngrm]

I'm interested in the seat tracks/motors

[Jeffvette]

I'm interested in the seat tracks/motors


Hey Ric :hello:

[QB93Z]

I am interested in a price with shipping to 21157 for:

front bumper cover
rear clip
transmission
LT5 and accessories, wiring with ECM
red top
black trim strips for the rear (6 pieces, I think)
dash including the glove box door
shift boot and inner rubber boot
shift plate (part with cup holders and cover)
trim piece at the top of the a pillar that covers the visor wiring connector
interior trim piece across the top of the windshield


Thanks
Jim
443-244-1347

[ZR-1nce removed]

I am interested in a price with shipping to 21157 for:

front bumper cover
rear clip
transmission
LT5 and accessories, wiring with ECM
red top
black trim strips for the rear (6 pieces, I think)
dash including the glove box door
shift boot and inner rubber boot
shift plate (part with cup holders and cover)
trim piece at the top of the a pillar that covers the visor wiring connector
interior trim piece across the top of the windshield


Thanks
Jim
443-244-1347


Come on Capt, just buy the whole thing!!!! You have room for a 4th Z don't ya?

[youngrm]

Hey jeff!
Will these seat tracks work for me?

[xlr8nflorida]

Hey jeff!
Will these seat tracks work for me?

I'd be interested in the following:

ECM
BCM
ABS Controller
Front Bumper
Black Strip (perimeter of car)
Oil Cooler Lines
AC hoses
PVC/Radiator Hoses
Back Bumper
Back Clip
Rear bumper moldings
Tire valve caps
Tire sensors
Thermostat housing
Spark Plug Wires

[jrd1990zr1]

No docs, as the jackasses that run the region out here would not get it in for the judging in time. Gave Kevin the run around when he was asking questions.

This car is absolutely perfect and will breeze through judging, the only thing we can not track down is an original battery. I'm tempted to still run the car through NCRS, but have a 94 I might take that endeavor on with.


It will still top flight with a replacement Delco battery. Too bad your not on the east coast, I would make room for it at our NCRS meet.

It is a real shame to see a 179 mile original car be parted out.

[jrd1990zr1]

If you are really serious, interested in, glass top depending on date code, secondary vacuum pump. wheel locks, removal tool, card and bag, lug extention. Third??? in line for rear bumper fascia. Passenger side glass depending on date code. Drivers side rug (assume it's a red interior)

Really need the oil filter or good digital photos.

[ShawnZR-1]

Stupid question, but did you call Rogers Corvette? This is exactly the kind of car he looks for! Shame to see something like this being parted out.

[USAFPILOT]

Another question:

Weren't the fist few cars from the 90 model year totally hand built or something? If so, is this one? How early is the production number? Maybe it was in the original post, I'll check.

[A1990]

Having parted out a ZR-1 before, you know the value of the parts. I don't think that you can expect much more than that for your low mile car. I think in today's economics, you will move 20K in parts easy and be left with the rest.

If you need cash and are experienced with the whole tear down, pricing, shipping, etc, buy the basket case 91 and sell the same parts everyone is asking about in this post and make some $$$

Everyone here is looking or a deal, not to make you money.

[Toyvet1]

Why do people buy these car, dont the understand risk????????

[Pete]

I just saw this post

Please tell me your phuking joking.

If Not

You my friend have lost your phuking mind:icon_scra

Since $32k is the lowest you were offered why not give Barrett/Jackson, Mecum Auctions, Bloomington Gold or Carlisle a try.

Pete

[limey]

I'll take the air in the tyres, but only if it's still the original BG air.

[LGAFF]

Wow....floored, if I had the cash I would buy it. How about running in through BJ would be worth the risk. Part this car would be wrong on many levels, but not my car.:jawdrop: How about we get 39 investors with $1K each we run it through BJ and either take our lumps or split the extra cash......would be interesting. I would be in for a grand.

[LGAFF]

Better yet, we underwrite the variance in the sale. If the car sells for less we cover the variance, if it goes for more than your investment we all split the $.

[Z Factor]

It is your ZR-1 and you can do what you want with it. However it dawned on me that you might not have tried all the different avenues available to you in selling it.
Aside from the auctions mentioned, have you used any auto/Corvette brokers? I sold a Corvette overseas via a broker.

For that matter, why not think outside the box and raffle it off. You could sell 100 tickets for say $400.00 and make $40k that way. I think a decent amount of people would be willing to take those odds of winning for a chance to win a showroom ZR-1.

Heres hoping you find an alternative to parting it out.

[LGAFF]

1990 red with tan 2500 miles sold for $66K last year(with premium)

[Jeffvette]

So....that begs the question........no one steps up with $35K on this one with only 200 miles and you say one sold last year for $66K .....what planet was that on or what planet are we on?

It's called BJ, where smoke and mirrors are involved. And of course drunk people being persuaded into buying.

[LGAFF]

It's called BJ, where smoke and mirrors are involved. And of course drunk people being persuaded into buying.

Bingo!

[xlr8nflorida]

Wow....floored, if I had the cash I would buy it. How about running in through BJ would be worth the risk. Part this car would be wrong on many levels, but not my car.:jawdrop: How about we get 39 investors with $1K each we run it through BJ and either take our lumps or split the extra cash......would be interesting. I would be in for a grand.


You ever see the commission #'s for buyers and sellers for BJ?

Auction presents all types of issues, mainly legal ones with each state and making sure it's fair for all parties involved. Auction is not that easy to setup and there are costs incurred.

Honestly, I think 179 miles scares alot of people. Myself I'd rather see a car with 1,000 or 2,000 miles on it.

[LGAFF]

You ever see the commission #'s for buyers and sellers for BJ?

Auction presents all types of issues, mainly legal ones with each state and making sure it's fair for all parties involved. Auction is not that easy to setup and there are costs incurred.

Seller pays 6% and buyer pays 6% last I saw....so selling is actually about 57-58K

[xlr8nflorida]

Seller pays 6% and buyer pays 6% last I saw....so selling is actually about 57-58K


Seller pays 8% & buyer pays 10%.

[rhipsher]

Jeff I don't see how you could help this guy dismantle that virgin car in good conscience. Common man. It's automotive abortion. It's almost as if he's doing it to get some kinda sick charge out of all the people who really really love this particular model car. I just can't bare to watch. But as much as I hate what he's about to do it is after all his car. And I hope he regrets it severely.

[Polo-1]

It is your ZR-1 and you can do what you want with it. However it dawned on me that you might not have tried all the different avenues available to you in selling it.
Aside from the auctions mentioned, have you used any auto/Corvette brokers? I sold a Corvette overseas via a broker.

For that matter, why not think outside the box and raffle it off. You could sell 100 tickets for say $400.00 and make $40k that way. I think a decent amount of people would be willing to take those odds of winning for a chance to win a showroom ZR-1.

Heres hoping you find an alternative to parting it out.

I like your idea:cool:
I'll look into what I can do "raffle" Think we could get 100 people to buy a ticket. only 100 sold thats good odds.

We might be able to save this car

[Polo-1]

Honestly, I think 179 miles scares alot of people. Myself I'd rather see a car with 1,000 or 2,000 miles on it.

I love to have a 63 split with 179 miles on it:pray

[xlr8nflorida]

I don't feel you are being realistic at $35,000 to $40,000 for parting out your car. Never mind the time you have in parting it out, paying Jeff, labeling parts, ebay ads, shipping etc. Buyers almost always want the same parts and then you are left with a bunch of parts that nobody is really interested in, at least not at this point in time, maybe down the road some.

The Bottom line right now is that $35,000 can get you into a really nice late model ZR-1 or C5 Z06, C6 maybe even a rougher C6 Z06. If a red/red 90 car had 10-20,000 miles it would be probably half your asking price. Therefore, someone who buys your car, can't really drive it without losing a significant % of their total cash outlay. If it was a 94/95 and unique color, I think there would be a different interest level.

It's worth every bit of $35,000. It's just that you are looking for a buyer that is the needle in the haystack and right now, lets face it the economy sucks. And if you are going pay $35,000 might as well pay $50,000 and get a unique 95 with under 1,000 miles.

Roger has a 94 with 14,000 miles for $32,900. That is Retail, I bet he doesn't even have $27,000 in that car.

In regards to the auction, its all taxable income so it's like winning a $16,000 car for a $400 Ticket. It's not that easy to get 400-500 a ticket. The NCM often has problems and thats for a $75,000 NEW Corvette. Of course they are trying to get 500 not 100 tickets sold.

I think your best bet is Hemmings. You can use twitter, Facebook and a ton of other avenues to market the crap out of the car.
It's definitely a unique car, you just need to find the right buyer. You could allow the NCM to showcase your car for 6 months or so and that could get you some good exposure for free.

What do you have in the car? I imagine its low $30's. If you must sell and are looking for $35k and you have 32k then I would take it and run. Buyers are few and far between in this market and $3,000 is nothing in the scheme of things especially if it means you have to sit on the car another 6-12 months. Time is $. Whoever buys that car won't be able to drive it and they would have to wait another 10-15 years to cash in on their investment. So basically it will cost them at least $35,000 opportunity cost had they invested the $ plus the $35,000 they pay you for the car so even if it goes $70,000 they are just breaking even and that's if they don't drive the car. So if you feel you are losing big time by selling the car in the 30's - I don't think so at all. Just my .02

Perhaps bb62 can give his input.......

Good Luck

[RICKYRJ1]

I don't feel you are being realistic at $35,000 to $40,000 for parting out your car. Never mind the time you have in parting it out, paying Jeff, labeling parts, ebay ads, shipping etc. Buyers almost always want the same parts and then you are left with a bunch of parts that nobody is really interested in, at least not at this point in time, maybe down the road some.

The Bottom line right now is that $35,000 can get you into a really nice late model ZR-1 or C5 Z06, C6 maybe even a rougher C6 Z06. If a red/red 90 car had 10-20,000 miles it would be probably half your asking price. Therefore, someone who buys your car, can't really drive it without losing a significant % of their total cash outlay. If it was a 94/95 and unique color, I think there would be a different interest level.

It's worth every bit of $35,000. It's just that you are looking for a buyer that is the needle in the haystack and right now, lets face it the economy sucks. And if you are going pay $35,000 might as well pay $50,000 and get a unique 95 with under 1,000 miles.

Roger has a 94 with 14,000 miles for $32,900. That is Retail, I bet he doesn't even have $27,000 in that car.

In regards to the auction, its all taxable income so it's like winning a $16,000 car for a $400 Ticket. It's not that easy to get 400-500 a ticket. The NCM often has problems and thats for a $75,000 NEW Corvette. Of course they are trying to get 500 not 100 tickets sold.

I think your best bet is Hemmings. You can use twitter, Facebook and a ton of other avenues to market the crap out of the car.
It's definitely a unique car, you just need to find the right buyer. You could allow the NCM to showcase your car for 6 months or so and that could get you some good exposure for free.

What do you have in the car? I imagine its low $30's. If you must sell and are looking for $35k and you have 32k then I would take it and run. Buyers are few and far between in this market and $3,000 is nothing in the scheme of things especially if it means you have to sit on the car another 6-12 months. Time is $. Whoever buys that car won't be able to drive it and they would have to wait another 10-15 years to cash in on their investment. So basically it will cost them at least $35,000 opportunity cost had they invested the $ plus the $35,000 they pay you for the car so even if it goes $70,000 they are just breaking even and that's if they don't drive the car. So if you feel you are losing big time by selling the car in the 30's - I don't think so at all. Just my .02

Perhaps bb62 can give his input.......

Good Luck

I Agree, Thanks for doing all the typing for me :handshak:

[tomtom72]

I Agree, Thanks for doing all the typing for me :handshak:

I agree also.


:o Two more cents from the peanut gallery when you really don't need to hear it.:o

Good luck in what ever you decide!:thumbsup:

:cheers:

[rudolph schenker]

:happy1:

[scholtmj]

Just curious, if someone sends a buyer your way is there a 'finders fee' reward :dancing

[phrogs]

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.aspx?aid=304&sd=01%2f19%2f2010&ed=01%2f19%2f2010


For some reason I think you can beat this car it has been driven yours has been pushed everywhere.

If you had it judged and got all of the NCRS stuff with it I think youll get what you want out of it Might just not happen right away.

[Nick]

If it were my car, I'd just drive the damned thing. For $35k, you get a brand new ZR-1 to beat the hell out of for years to come. When I drove the car, it sure was fun! :cool:

[RHanselman]

I'll buy a ticket!

[RHanselman]

What's the VIN on this car?

[Polo-1]

If it were my car, I'd just drive the damned thing. For $35k, you get a brand new ZR-1 to beat the hell out of for years to come. When I drove the car, it sure was fun! :cool:

Hey Nick :hello:

Want to tag team this Z to BG 2010 :dontknow:

a little over 2500 miles one way, so 5,200 miles on it. Think I could get 30 for it with 5200 miles:icon_scra

Nov. 1989 build #605

[bb62]

Summarizing xlr8inflorida’s excellent post:
- Significant time and cost will be required to part the car (likely yielding less than the $32K offered)
- Current asking price offers buyers many alternatives in today’s market
- Asking price virtually renders the car unusable thereby limiting the market
- Other alternatives for selling the car should be explored
- Selling raffle tickets presents a new set of problems for both buyer and seller
- Significant opportunity cost will be incurred rendering the $3K loss meaningless

And others have noted the waste of a low-mileage ZR-1.

Parting out perfectly good cars is not a C4 or ZR-1 phenomena; Top Flight and Bloomington Gold C1 and C2 Corvettes also unfortunately get either parted out or turned into resto-mods. Ultimately this will cull the ZR-1 herd and in the long term lead to the higher prices many clamor for as the supply side of the curve loses yet one more.

From my perspective, this threat to parting the car seems to be an act of desperation on the part of the owner, perhaps a personal cash flow issue.

So, what would I do? Start by considering the alternatives short of “parting”.
- Accepting the $32K (which is the worse case alt)
- There are worse alternatives than the “lottery” tickets
- Contact professional sales organizations (everything from Roger’s to BJ)
- Other venues for marketing (Other corvette sites, Facebook [as mentioned], Hemmings, etc.)
- Have an article written about the car for a Corvette magazine
- Have the car judged (mentioned) which would add prestige to the car.
- Sitting on the car.
- Drive it.
- (And change the damn oil.)

The best alternative ultimately could likely be the offered $32K. Just don’t appear desperate.

[tccrab]

Yet another Alternative:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/thfire.gif
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/burnt_ZR1.jpg

LOL.

TomC
"Crabs"

[ittlfly]

Yet another Alternative:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/thfire.gif
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/burnt_ZR1.jpg

LOL.

TomC
"Crabs"

Insurance fraud is always an option. :dancing

[Polo-1]

"Polo-1"
my first ZR-1
Was not Fraud, was very up front with insurance company. I think I'm on page 10 under corvette section.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/zr1wreck023.jpg

[bdw18_123]

Yet another Alternative:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/thfire.gif
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i159/tccrab/burnt_ZR1.jpg

LOL.

TomC
"Crabs"

Wow. That poor Z! :jawdrop: :cry: I wonder what year and number it was?

Anyone wanna part out that car? :mrgreen: I bet you could get that LT5 for cheap... :rolleyes:



.

[Nick]

Hey Nick :hello:

Want to tag team this Z to BG 2010 :dontknow:

a little over 2500 miles one way, so 5,200 miles on it. Think I could get 30 for it with 5200 miles
Now you're talkin' buddy! :cheers:

[bdw18_123]

Hey, what happened to the picture of the burned up Z?

[tccrab]

Hey, what happened to the picture of the burned up Z?

Not really sure what caused the fire or if it was an accident or on purpose.
It was posted on http://www.wreckedexotics.com at least 5 years ago.
I you look carefully in the Corvette section of the above website you'll find at least 7 or 8 wrecked ZR1's (including Polo-1's unfortunate road racing incident).

TomC
"Crabs"

[lbszr]

I'll take the air in the tyres, but only if it's still the original BG air.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y52/Scorpiosnake/emotes%20only/lmao-1.gif

[Jeffvette]

Funny, the car is generating more interest when it's being parted out, than when it was for sale as a whole.

[4DSZR1]

Funny, the car is generating more interest when it's being parted out, than when it was for sale as a whole.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry Interesting :cool:

[RHanselman]

Funny, the car is generating more interest when it's being parted out, than when it was for sale as a whole.

It's not the car, it's the unbelievable concept... (or marketing concept) which ever you believe...

This reminds me of another parts car not to say the situation is the same. There is a 90' Polo for sale in CA that has no drive train and lacks some other original parts. The guy owes the bank more than the car's worth so he cannot sell it. So he parts out the drive train (engine/trans) to raise cash. He then keeps making payments until the loan is down to where he can sell body. The body has not sold and he keeps lowering the price as his loan gets smaller... There are creative ways to raise cash but this guy is still paying for it in the long haul...

[Polo-1]

Funny, the car is generating more interest when it's being parted out, than when it was for sale as a whole.

Yes it is...........

The NCRS forums is talking about this too.

Funny, how I bought this car to go to NCRS events. When I was told I could not enter my car in the local event, and could not go to a regional event without first go to a local. I'm called a stupid idot for parting the car out..... Well, someone make me a offer. Or, I have a 100 point parts car.

[Jeffvette]

The NCRS forums is talking about this too.



Lot's of stupid over there when it comes to C4's. Even the judging manual had errors in it. I have not checked version 2 to see if there were corrected.

[tomtom72]

Yes it is...........

The NCRS forums is talking about this too.

Funny, how I bought this car to go to NCRS events. When I was told I could not enter my car in the local event, and could not go to a regional event without first go to a local. I'm called a stupid idot for parting the car out..... Well, someone make me a offer. Or, I have a 100 point parts car.

:icon_scra What's up with that response by the local NCRS????? Why can't you enter the event with your 90? Cars like this one is what they should use to write the judging manual.

Have a Merry Christmas guys!
:cheers:
Tom

[Dynomite]

You have an offer of $32K.......You want a minimum of $35K.

So....this decision to part it out is based on a $3K margin :icon_ques

In other words.....at $32K parting it out is not worth it and at $35K parting it out is the way to go :sign10:

It might be worth the $35K for some Chev dealer as a floor display alongside the newer models :thumbsup:

Or as a rental for Chev dealer floor display until you get your common sense back :sign10:

[DaveK]

I'm always surprised at how many people support the "free market"... until it affects them directly...

[Polo-1]

You have an offer of $32K.......You want a minimum of $35K.

So....this decision to part it out is based on a $3K margin :icon_ques

In other words.....at $32K parting it out is not worth it and at $35K parting it out is the way to go :sign10:

It might be worth the $35K for some Chev dealer as a floor display alongside the newer models :thumbsup:

Or as a rental for Chev dealer floor display until you get your common sense back :sign10:

I started with $40
I'm down to $35 after a year. The offer of $32 has not come back or replied. So, it looks like it's off the table.
I tried to trade in on a Z06 this summer, offer $20K.
Someone said "check with Rogers Corvette" spring time he would not touch the car. "sell it yourself" never said what I wanted for it. just "sell it yourself".
What's your next idea for me .....

[ZR THIS]

It looks like you already took the hatch off so the value has declined. Have you taken anything else off this showroom-conditioned car?

[Polo-1]

It looks like you already took the hatch off so the value has declined. Have you taken anything else off this showroom-conditioned car?

I took picture's so I can put it all back togather, only a day and half to take apart. So, day or two to go back:dontknow:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1532.jpg

[32valvZ]

wow.....:icon_scra

[xlr8nflorida]

I started with $40
I'm down to $35 after a year. The offer of $32 has not come back or replied. So, it looks like it's off the table.
I tried to trade in on a Z06 this summer, offer $20K.
Someone said "check with Rogers Corvette" spring time he would not touch the car. "sell it yourself" never said what I wanted for it. just "sell it yourself".
What's your next idea for me .....

I met some NCRS guys at a show a few months ago and they were extremely nice. I am not sure why they wouldn't let you enter your car in the local event. Did you pay the NCRS membership fees?

NCRS is always looking for new members especially since NCRS is not everybodys thing. One of the members of the club also had the Dave M. Award and it took him 1.5 years. I'm not sure of all the fees but by talking to the NCRS Judges there are fees and I know one of the judgings is $200. I wouldn't be surprized if the 4 judgings cost between $500-$1,000. That plus hotel fees, trailering (more points if you drive) - its not a cheap date. If you fail any part of performance section, you have to take the test again at a later date.

I've visited Roger's many times over the years as I lived about 15 minutes away from his showroom. Most those ZR-1's have sat for years, he never lowers his prices. Therefore, he is probably not interested in another ZR-1. He can move C5 Z06s and other cars at a much faster pace.

My suggestion is to hold the car however, Storage, heating, dehumidifer, electricity, insurance, maintaining the car all costs $.

Your car has been driven 9 miles per year and that scares alot of people.

What maintenace have you done since you bought the car?

Radiator fluid, oil, transmission, brakes, rear end?

This has nothing to do with your car. In this poor economy, if you got offered $30-$32,000 you would be doing great. Just look all around you at Corvette prices. There are smoking deals out there.

[Eric870]

Awsome....How much for the center console and all the trim molding?

I can't afford the car but i can afford some parts...part it out you will make more $

[Locobob]

I took picture's so I can put it all back togather, only a day and half to take apart. So, day or two to go back:dontknow:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1532.jpg

:sign10: You're killing me Kevin

[Hammer]

I took picture's so I can put it all back togather, only a day and half to take apart. So, day or two to go back:dontknow:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1532.jpg
LMFAO.

[Polo-1]

Matter of fact....I would pay to see that :sign10: Just another way for you to make some cash.


This might be a good idea...... Selling instructional video's How many would it take to make my 35k price....

[Polo-1]

Santa Claus Saved this car.....=D>

Merry Christmas from the PNW ZR-1 gang:wink:

It gets a little slow in the winter months:p

[Dynomite]

Santa Claus Saved this car.....=D>

Merry Christmas from the PNW ZR-1 gang:wink:

It gets a little slow in the winter months:p

I thought you would go to April Fools day.....:sign10:

Very good....this has been a lot of fun :D :thumbsup:

Merry Christmas to you all

So...does this mean you are not making some instructional photos :sign10:

[LGAFF]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1532.jpg

What wheels are you running on that, 3.5"? They look great, although the offset looks like its wrong, they sit in alittle too far

[Z51JEFF]

I took picture's so I can put it all back togather, only a day and half to take apart. So, day or two to go back:dontknow:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1532.jpg

This is NOT the same car.The GrandSport guys must be laughing their asses off............I posted this before I read the rest of the posts.

[ZR THIS]

This is NOT the same car.The GrandSport guys must be laughing their asses off.

I agree. He's from Washington and it's December. If you look at the first post, first pic - you can see the snow outside his driveway. The parted-out pic shows it in the Summer time.

[Z51JEFF]

[QUOTE=Dynomite

So you only have to make up the difference between the $35K and the $28K I or someone else here might pay for the car :thumbsup:
:[/QUOTE]

$28,000 for a NEW ZR-1?Good luck with that.

[ZR THIS]

Jeff prep the car for NCRS tour. It was ready to pass all 4 cert's. Yes, 4 including Cross Flags. Jeff came over and did the pre judging with papers.

The glass on this car is something to see, not a scratch.
I might save the side glass for my 94. Jeff does 90 glass fit the 94 door?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/kpie/IMG_1504.jpg

One more thing, the grass in Washington in December is not green.

[Jeffvette]

One more thing, the grass in Washington in December is not green.


It's not. I guess I don't live in Washington :dontknow:

[Jeffvette]

I agree. He's from Washington and it's December. If you look at the first post, first pic - you can see the snow outside his driveway. The parted-out pic shows it in the Summer time.


Picture was taken last winter when we were hit hard with snow. Kevin pulled the car out after the regional NCRS guys were being asses and he decided to sell it.

[WB9MCW]

good joke

[Z51JEFF]

Picture was taken last winter when we were hit hard with snow. Kevin pulled the car out after the regional NCRS guys were being asses and he decided to sell it.

As far as Im concerned the NCRS can kiss my ***,Id never pay this group one dime for anything.

[Polo-1]

Yes, The NCRS guy's put a sour taste in my mouth.
I will try one more time this spring. I bought this car to try out the NCRS stuff. I have a 99.9% car. The original battery is gone, that's it. Unless the car really does sell.
The winter pictures are at a friends in Spokane, he has heated shop in back of the house were the car stays for winter months.
The Summer pictures are from last years 91 Red/Red part-out party. Which help for good pictures for this story

[bb62]

Yes, The NCRS guy's put a sour taste in my mouth.
I will try one more time this spring. I bought this car to try out the NCRS stuff. I have a 99.9% car. The original battery is gone, that's it. Unless the car really does sell.
The winter pictures are at a friends in Spokane, he has heated shop in back of the house were the car stays for winter months.
The Summer pictures are from last years 91 Red/Red part-out party. Which help for good pictures for this story

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.

[Jeffvette]

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.


BB62, the NW Chapter is full of tools. I have been to several of their functions and have always basically felt like I was shunned as soon as they found out I was C4 and newer oriented. Several of the good guys that were in the regional have left. Which is sad.

One of the biggest issues with Kevin was the lack of answers from the organizers on what he actually needed to do. He approached and asked the questions on what was needed, and they gave him the run around. He was not doing this a week before the show, but months!

I have had my issues as well, I ordered one of the first copies of the 90-91 C4 manual, and started going through it. The book was riddled with errors. I approached a friend who was deep into NCRS and he passed the word along. There was no response.

[4DSZR1]

Polo-1,

Quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with the NCRS as an organization. Sure there are idiots there as there are in virtually every organization, but I would not blame the NCRS. Heck, I'm one of them there NCRS types.

If you run into an issue entering your car into the meet, please contact me and I will make sure that the national judging chairman is aware of your situation. There is NO excuse for your not being able to have your car judged, especially at the chapter level (although note that the "real" judging begins at the regional level because that's where you will get the best national judges). Just make sure you are an NCRS member and you get your application in on time. Some chapters may just have a limitation on the number of cars to be judged given the time constraints to complete the meet (this is what you may have encountered). If you have the details of why you believe you were excluded in the prior meet, please send me the details and perhaps I can find out what happened.

Being this topic is on the table, let me voice experience I had with NCRS. In 2008 I was Barret-Jackson in Scottsdale and walked up to the NCRS vendor booth. They had three or four people (3 men and a woman as I rember) in the booth and struck up a conversation with one of the men. I told him what I had. I know its not a 1963 restored split-window but from that point on I was made to feel like my car or myself are not that improtant to their organization and that they felt like it was a neccessary evil to have to address the C4.

I know I'm not the most dynamic personality in the room, but I'm a potential paying customer to them and deserved some respect and at least, common business courtesy. If it was my company I would have fired the guy on the spot. As we walked away the guy I was with said, jeezuz I cant believe they are still in business with that attitude. I'm sure there are good ones in the group, but if you and I were putting together a vendor booth, wouldn't we put together our A team for manning it? Yes we would, so if this is the best they have, then it will be a cold day in hell when they get any of my money.

Merry Christmas Everyone

[bb62]

BB62, the NW Chapter is full of tools. I have been to several of their functions and have always basically felt like I was shunned as soon as they found out I was C4 and newer oriented. Several of the good guys that were in the regional have left. Which is sad.

One of the biggest issues with Kevin was the lack of answers from the organizers on what he actually needed to do. He approached and asked the questions on what was needed, and they gave him the run around. He was not doing this a week before the show, but months!

I have had my issues as well, I ordered one of the first copies of the 90-91 C4 manual, and started going through it. The book was riddled with errors. I approached a friend who was deep into NCRS and he passed the word along. There was no response.


Jeff,

I hear you on the attitude some have to C4 and later Corvettes. For what it's worth, when the NCRS first included C2s there were members who strenuously objected.

I would still like to know the particulars of why Kevin had a problem. I will personally bring this up with the NCRS to make sure this doesn't happen again. I hate that type of attitude and it must stop.

As to the manual, keep in mind that they still have problems with the 63/4 manual. And the 56/7 cars still aren't adequately worked out. But remember that this is just a volunteer organization so the people who put together are just putting in personal time. If you have issues with the 90-91 manual, I would find out specifically who's writing the manual and contact them directly.

[xlr8nflorida]

Honestly, You can meet jerks anywhere. The NCRS shouldn't act that way but I know of one judge on CF that is a NCRS judge who constantly bashes C4's. That being said, I met 2 national judges a few months ago that were awesome. At the same time however, 1 of them had a Comp Yellow 90 Convertible and the other had a red 90 ZR-1 with about 16,000 miles. He also had a 57 and 4 other corvettes.

There is no reason for the attitude but I think I can understand where some of them are coming from. The NCRS is about originality and typically its older Corvettes. While getting a top flight award for a ZR-1 would be nice, it doesn't interest me at this point in time. Our cars are only 20 years old. Granted its not that easy but at 20 years its not that hard either. When a car has 179 miles what do you expect? Of course it will do well with NCRS.

Historically, NCRS certificates increase the value of a car but on a car that is 20 years old, I don't think it will make hardly any difference at this point in time in sales price. (to me anyway) Down the road it will.

NCRS would not interest me until about the 30 or 40th year mark. At that point, I guarantee NCRS guys won't snub their nose.

NCRS impresses me when someone has a thrashed corvette or a corvette that is far from original and then brings it back. If it is just a low mileage car that has had a few owners then the task is much easier.

When I think of old historic Corvettes, I think of NCRS. When I think of ZR-1, I don't think historic at 20 years or even 15 years if its a 95.

A nice Corvette is a nice Corvette regardless of what the NCRS says. The reason people pay more for NCRS documentation is because its authentic and there is less chance they will get ripped off. For some, its simply a hobby and for others, they do it to get more $$ for their historic corvette when they sell it. If i was to buy a C1 or C2, I would buy a NCRS one because quite frankly while I'm very good at knowing all the years/ options etc, I wouldn't be able to spot a fake from a legitimate big block car. I was born in the 70's and that generation of Corvettes was before my time so I'm not able to check them out as quickly as say a C4 which is the generation I grew up with.

Maybe I'm odd and illogical :dontknow:

[jrd1990zr1]

Being this topic is on the table, let me voice experience I had with NCRS. In 2008 I was Barret-Jackson in Scottsdale and walked up to the NCRS vendor booth. They had three or four people (3 men and a woman as I rember) in the booth and struck up a conversation with one of the men. I told him what I had. I know its not a 1963 restored split-window but from that point on I was made to feel like my car or myself are not that improtant to their organization and that they felt like it was a neccessary evil to have to address the C4.

I know I'm not the most dynamic personality in the room, but I'm a potential paying customer to them and deserved some respect and at least, common business courtesy. If it was my company I would have fired the guy on the spot. As we walked away the guy I was with said, jeezuz I cant believe they are still in business with that attitude. I'm sure there are good ones in the group, but if you and I were putting together a vendor booth, wouldn't we put together our A team for manning it? Yes we would, so if this is the best they have, then it will be a cold day in hell when they get any of my money.

Merry Christmas Everyone


Jeffvette and Polo1,

I too would like to know of the problems you have had in getting you car judged on the west coast. I am a member of the NCRS, a chapter chairman and a master judge. Please PM me the details and I will see if I can help.

I own 2 1990 z's and an 1986 coupe. My one 1990 Z was judged first at a regional and then at a national NCRS event. I would be happy to provide you some advice. My 1986 has also been judged at a chapter level event. There is a definate bias and favoritism in the NCRS towards the C-1 through C-3 MYs. The sad thing about NCRS membership is it is static. What I mean is owners of C-3s and C-4s join and with the bias toward the older cars the new car owners tend to drop out. Maybe theNCRS will wake up as time goes on.

Like I said I would like to hear of the difficulties you have encountered getting a ZR1 judged. If you were on the east coast I would make sure you get a spot at out judging meet this coming Fall. Any other NCRS/ZR1 registry members in the Northeast interested in having their Z judged feel free to PM me. I'll be happy to provide any advice I can.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all. :cheers:

[rhipsher]

Maybe I'm odd and illogical :dontknow:No. Your not. I have allot more respect for somebody who takes a 40 year old true classic down to the frame for a rotisserie restoration than somebody who just buys one in already pristine condition that enters it in a show. They didn't have to do any of the work themselves. When I go to autorama or any car show and I see a beautifully restored car with mirrors all up underneath it to display the whole undercarriage and everything is wide open to see "nothing to hide" I know somebody or a group of people busted their azz to get it that way. I don't see how an only 20 year old car is old enough to need that. As neat as our cars are they are still in the beginning of the "(plastic gromit lego snap everything together age)" cars. Where as the early cars were almost all sheet metal and are prone to rust. My 68 stang has very little plastic on it. All sheet metal. Even the dash. So it's more labor intensive to cut rusted sheet metal out and welding new in than to just pop out plastic panels and snap new ones back in. And that might be why some of the NCRS guys are arrogant about involving a fairly new car in the company of 40 year old cars or older. Just my take.

[Z51JEFF]

Honestly, You can meet jerks anywhere. The NCRS shouldn't act that way but I know of one judge on CF that is a NCRS judge who constantly bashes C4's.

This wouldnt happen to be the guy with the 58 and the black 69 Coupe would it?This guy is your typical Older Corvette owner,total prick POS.

[xlr8nflorida]

This wouldnt happen to be the guy with the 58 and the black 69 Coupe would it?This guy is your typical Older Corvette owner,total prick POS.


I believe that is him, I think the 58 is his avatar.

[Z51JEFF]

I believe that is him, I think the 58 is his avatar.

This guy is a HATEFUL prick,the only reason he posts anything in the C4 section is to just stir up $hit.